--- title: 1 Kings 12:8 — But he forsook the counsel of the old men which they had given him,… · Hebrew, tree and pragmatics description: But he forsook the counsel of the old men which they had given him, and took counsel with the young men that were grown up with him, that stood before him. Who acts: father, men, young men. 1 Kings 12:8 in Hebrew with its dependency tree, Targum Jonathan, JPS 1917 and the pragmatics of every clause. --- [Mova](https://md.mova.elamur.ai/free/en/) · [this page in HTML](https://mova.elamur.ai/free/en/corpora/neviim/1KI.12.8/) [home](https://md.mova.elamur.ai/free/en/) / [corpora](https://md.mova.elamur.ai/free/en/corpora/) / [Tanakh](https://md.mova.elamur.ai/free/en/corpora/tanakh/) / [Nevi'im](https://md.mova.elamur.ai/free/en/corpora/neviim/) / [1 Kings](https://md.mova.elamur.ai/free/en/corpora/neviim/1KI/) / [chapter 12](https://md.mova.elamur.ai/free/en/corpora/neviim/1KI/12/) / 12:8 # 1 Kings 12:8 מְלָכִים א **Who acts:** father, men, young men · **What happens:** forsake, give, take, grow up, stand · **To what, where:** counsel, old men, father, young men This is 1 Kings 12:8 from Mova's open Bible corpus, the Tanakh in three languages (Nevi'im — the Prophets). The page gives the verse in Hebrew as the Westminster Leningrad Codex has it, its syntax tree — a dependency tree in the style of Universal Dependencies, built from MACULA Hebrew — and its pragmatics: who acts — father, men, young men — and what happens in the verse to counsel, old men, father, young men, read clause by clause by Mova's frames. Beside it stand the Aramaic of Targum Jonathan and the English of the Jewish Publication Society's 1917 translation, each English sentence with a tree of its own. It is one of the 22 chapters of 1 Kings on this site, all built by Mova itself from its own trees, with no large model in between. וַֽיַּעֲזֹ֛ב אֶת־עֲצַ֥ת הַזְּקֵנִ֖ים אֲשֶׁ֣ר יְעָצֻ֑הוּ וַיִּוָּעַ֗ץ אֶת־הַיְלָדִים֙ אֲשֶׁ֣ר גָּדְל֣וּ אִתּ֔וֹ אֲשֶׁ֥ר הָעֹמְדִ֖ים לְפָנָֽיו׃ [But he forsook the counsel of the old men which they had given him, and took counsel with the young men that were grown up with him, that stood before him.](https://md.mova.elamur.ai/free/en/corpora/neviim/jps/1KI.459/) ## The tree {#tree} Right to left, as the Hebrew is read; a prefix or suffix is a word of its own, and a line under the words joins those written as one. Under each word its part of speech and MACULA's English gloss. ```conllu rtl gloss # sent_id = wlc:1KI:441 # text = וַֽיַּעֲזֹ֛ב אֶת־עֲצַ֥ת הַזְּקֵנִ֖ים אֲשֶׁ֣ר יְעָצֻ֑הוּ וַיִּוָּעַ֗ץ אֶת־הַיְלָדִים֙ אֲשֶׁ֣ר גָּדְל֣וּ אִתּ֔וֹ אֲשֶׁ֥ר הָעֹמְדִ֖ים לְפָנָֽיו׃ # verse = 1KI.12.8 1-2 וַֽיַּעֲזֹ֛ב _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 1 וַֽ וְ CCONJ _ _ 2 cc _ Gloss=and|Ref=1KI_12:8!1|MId=o110120080011|Strong=2050b 2 יַּעֲזֹ֛ב עָזַב VERB _ Gender=Masc|HebBinyan=QAL|Number=Sing|Person=3 0 root _ Gloss=he.abandoned|Ref=1KI_12:8!1|MId=o110120080012|Strong=5800|Frame=A0:110120060022;A1:110120080031;|Type=wayyiqtol 3 אֶת־ אֵת ADP _ _ 4 case _ Gloss=(et)|Ref=1KI_12:8!2|MId=o110120080021|Strong=0853|Type=direct_object_marker|SpaceAfter=No 4 עֲצַ֥ת עֵצָה NOUN _ Gender=Fem|Number=Sing 2 obj _ Gloss=the.counsel|Ref=1KI_12:8!3|MId=o110120080031|Strong=6098 5-6 הַזְּקֵנִ֖ים _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 5 הַ הַ DET _ PronType=Art 6 det _ Gloss=of|Ref=1KI_12:8!4|MId=o110120080041|Strong=1886a|Type=definite_article 6 זְּקֵנִ֖ים זָקֵן ADJ _ Gender=Masc|Number=Plur 4 compound:smixut _ Gloss=the.elders|Ref=1KI_12:8!4|MId=o110120080042|Strong=2205|Type=adjective 7 אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֲשֶׁר SCONJ _ _ 8 mark _ Gloss=which|Ref=1KI_12:8!5|MId=o110120080051|Strong=0834|Type=relative 8-9 יְעָצֻ֑הוּ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 8 יְעָצֻ֑ יָעַץ VERB _ Gender=Com|HebBinyan=QAL|Number=Plur|Person=3 4 acl:relcl _ Gloss=they|Ref=1KI_12:8!6|MId=o110120080061|Strong=3289|Frame=A0:110120080042;A2:110120080062;A1:110120080031;|Type=qatal 9 הוּ הוּא PRON _ Gender=Masc|Number=Sing|Person=3|PronType=Prs 8 obj _ Gloss=had.counseled.him|Ref=1KI_12:8!6|MId=o110120080062|Strong=1930a|Type=pronominal 10-11 וַיִּוָּעַ֗ץ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 10 וַ וְ CCONJ _ _ 11 cc _ Gloss=and|Ref=1KI_12:8!7|MId=o110120080071|Strong=2050b 11 יִּוָּעַ֗ץ יָעַץ VERB _ Gender=Masc|HebBinyan=NIPHAL|Number=Sing|Person=3 2 conj _ Gloss=he.consulted|Ref=1KI_12:8!7|MId=o110120080072|Strong=3289|Frame=A0:110120060022;|Type=wayyiqtol 12 אֶת־ אֵת ADP _ _ 14 case _ Gloss=with|Ref=1KI_12:8!8|MId=o110120080081|Strong=0854|SpaceAfter=No 13-14 הַיְלָדִים֙ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 13 הַ הַ DET _ PronType=Art 14 det _ Gloss=the.young|Ref=1KI_12:8!9|MId=o110120080091|Strong=1886a|Type=definite_article 14 יְלָדִים֙ יֶלֶד NOUN _ Gender=Masc|Number=Plur 11 obl _ Gloss=men|Ref=1KI_12:8!9|MId=o110120080092|Strong=3206 15 אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֲשֶׁר SCONJ _ _ 16 mark _ Gloss=who|Ref=1KI_12:8!10|MId=o110120080101|Strong=0834|Type=relative 16 גָּדְל֣וּ גָּדַל VERB _ Gender=Com|HebBinyan=QAL|Number=Plur|Person=3 14 acl:relcl _ Gloss=they.had.grown.up|Ref=1KI_12:8!11|MId=o110120080111|Strong=1431|Frame=A0:110120080092;|Type=qatal 17-18 אִתּ֔וֹ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 17 אִתּ אֵת ADP _ _ 18 case _ Gloss=with|Ref=1KI_12:8!12|MId=o110120080121|Strong=0854 18 ֔וֹ הוּא PRON _ Gender=Masc|Number=Sing|Person=3|PronType=Prs 16 obl _ Gloss=him|Ref=1KI_12:8!12|MId=o110120080122|Strong=2050c|Type=pronominal 19 אֲשֶׁ֥ר אֲשֶׁר SCONJ _ _ 21 mark _ Gloss=who|Ref=1KI_12:8!13|MId=o110120080131|Strong=0834|Type=relative 20-21 הָעֹמְדִ֖ים _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 20 הָ הַ SCONJ _ _ 21 mark _ Gloss=[were|Ref=1KI_12:8!14|MId=o110120080141|Strong=1886a|Type=definite_article 21 עֹמְדִ֖ים עָמַד VERB _ Gender=Masc|HebBinyan=QAL|Number=Plur 14 acl:relcl _ Gloss=those.who].stood|Ref=1KI_12:8!14|MId=o110120080142|Strong=5975|Frame=A0:110120080092;|Type=participle_active 22-24 לְפָנָֽיו _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 22 לְ לְ ADP _ _ 23 case _ Gloss=before|Ref=1KI_12:8!15|MId=o110120080151|Strong=3807a 23 פָנָֽי פָּנֶה NOUN _ Number=Plur 21 obl _ Gloss=|Ref=1KI_12:8!15|MId=o110120080152|Strong=6440 24 ו הוּא PRON _ Gender=Masc|Number=Sing|Person=3|PronType=Prs 23 nmod:poss _ Gloss=him|Ref=1KI_12:8!15|MId=o110120080153|Strong=2050c|Type=pronominal 25 ׃ ׃ PUNCT _ _ 24 punct _ Ref=1KI_12:8!15 ``` ## Pragmatics {#pragmatics} - form: statement - act: narrate - voice: narrator - speech: narration - negation: no | verb | form · stem | who (A0) | what, whom (A1) | to whom, further (A2) | who makes it happen (AA) | | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | | יַּעֲזֹב *he abandoned* | wayyiqtol · qal | | עֲצַת *the counsel* | | | | יְעָצֻ *they* | qatal · qal | זְּקֵנִים *the elders* | עֲצַת *the counsel* | הוּ *had counseled him* | | | יִּוָּעַץ *he consulted* | wayyiqtol · niphal | | | | | | גָּדְלוּ *they had grown up* | qatal · qal | יְלָדִים *men* | | | | | עֹמְדִים *those who\] stood* | participle active · qal | יְלָדִים *men* | | | | MACULA's semantic frames: for each verb the head word of each participant. A0 is the one who acts, A1 what the act is done to or is about, A2 a further participant; AA, with a causative verb, the one who makes it happen. ## Targum Jonathan {#onkelos} וּשְׁבַק יַת מַלְכָּא דְסָבַיָא דִי מַלְכוּהִי וְאִתְמְלִיךְ בְּיַנְקַיָא דִרְבִיאוּ עִמֵיהּ דִמְשַׁמְשִׁין קֳדָמוֹהִי: The Aramaic translation read beside the Hebrew. Text only: Mova has no Aramaic parser yet. ## English, JPS 1917 {#english} Each sentence on its own page, with its tree and pragmatics. A sentence that runs on into the next verse is listed under the verse it begins in. 1. [But he forsook the counsel of the old men which they had given him, and took counsel with the young men that were grown up with him, that stood before him.](https://md.mova.elamur.ai/free/en/corpora/neviim/jps/1KI.459/) **Hebrew text:** Westminster Leningrad Codex, public domain. **Tree, glosses and frames:** MACULA Hebrew Linguistic Datasets, available at [github.com/Clear-Bible/macula-hebrew](https://github.com/Clear-Bible/macula-hebrew/), [CC BY 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/); converted to Universal Dependencies by Mova (words in text order, a prefix its own word). **Speech act:** Mova's rules on the MACULA words (`macula prag`). **Targum:** Onkelos (Torat Emet), Jonathan and the Writings (Mikraot Gedolot), from Sefaria, public domain. **English:** JPS 1917, public domain; trees and speech acts by Mova's cycle, frames by Mova's reader (Elamur Cosmic License). 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