--- title: Jeremiah 8:8 — How do ye say: 'We are wise, and the Law of the LORD is with us'? Lo… · Hebrew, tree and pragmatics description: How do ye say: 'We are wise, and the Law of the LORD is with us'? Lo, certainly in vain hath wrought the vain pen of the scribes. Who acts: ye, We, Law, vain pen. Jeremiah 8:8 in Hebrew with its dependency tree, Targum Jonathan, JPS 1917 and the pragmatics of every clause. --- [Mova](https://md.mova.elamur.ai/free/en/) · [this page in HTML](https://mova.elamur.ai/free/en/corpora/neviim/JER.8.8/) [home](https://md.mova.elamur.ai/free/en/) / [corpora](https://md.mova.elamur.ai/free/en/corpora/) / [Tanakh](https://md.mova.elamur.ai/free/en/corpora/tanakh/) / [Nevi'im](https://md.mova.elamur.ai/free/en/corpora/neviim/) / [Jeremiah](https://md.mova.elamur.ai/free/en/corpora/neviim/JER/) / [chapter 8](https://md.mova.elamur.ai/free/en/corpora/neviim/JER/8/) / 8:8 # Jeremiah 8:8 יִרְמְיָהוּ **Who acts:** ye, We, Law, vain pen · **What happens:** say, be, wrought · **To what, where:** vain · **Speech:** someone speaks in this verse This is Jeremiah 8:8 from Mova's open Bible corpus, the Tanakh in three languages (Nevi'im — the Prophets). The page gives the verse in Hebrew as the Westminster Leningrad Codex has it, its syntax tree — a dependency tree in the style of Universal Dependencies, built from MACULA Hebrew — and its pragmatics: who acts — ye, We, Law, vain pen — and what happens in the verse to vain, read clause by clause by Mova's frames. Beside it stand the Aramaic of Targum Jonathan and the English of the Jewish Publication Society's 1917 translation, each English sentence with a tree of its own. It is one of the 52 chapters of Jeremiah on this site, all built by Mova itself from its own trees, with no large model in between. אֵיכָ֤ה תֹֽאמְרוּ֙ חֲכָמִ֣ים אֲנַ֔חְנוּ וְתוֹרַ֥ת יְהוָ֖ה אִתָּ֑נוּ אָכֵן֙ הִנֵּ֣ה לַשֶּׁ֣קֶר עָשָׂ֔ה עֵ֖ט שֶׁ֥קֶר סֹפְרִֽים׃ [How do ye say: 'We are wise, and the Law of the LORD is with us'?](https://md.mova.elamur.ai/free/en/corpora/neviim/jps/JER.246/) [Lo, certainly in vain hath wrought the vain pen of the scribes.](https://md.mova.elamur.ai/free/en/corpora/neviim/jps/JER.247/) ## The tree {#tree} Right to left, as the Hebrew is read; a prefix or suffix is a word of its own, and a line under the words joins those written as one. Under each word its part of speech and MACULA's English gloss. ```conllu rtl gloss # sent_id = wlc:JER:214 # text = אֵיכָ֤ה תֹֽאמְרוּ֙ חֲכָמִ֣ים אֲנַ֔חְנוּ וְתוֹרַ֥ת יְהוָ֖ה אִתָּ֑נוּ אָכֵן֙ הִנֵּ֣ה לַשֶּׁ֣קֶר עָשָׂ֔ה עֵ֖ט שֶׁ֥קֶר סֹפְרִֽים׃ # verse = JER.8.8 1 אֵיכָ֤ה אֵיכָה INTJ _ _ 2 discourse _ Gloss=how?|Ref=JER_8:8!1|MId=o240080080011|Strong=0349a|Type=interrogative 2 תֹֽאמְרוּ֙ אָמַר VERB _ Gender=Masc|HebBinyan=QAL|Number=Plur|Person=2 0 root _ Gloss=will.you.say|Ref=JER_8:8!2|MId=o240080080021|Strong=0559|Frame=A0:240080070142;A1:240080080031;240080080072;|Type=yiqtol 3 חֲכָמִ֣ים חָכָם ADJ _ Gender=Masc|Number=Plur 2 ccomp _ Gloss=[are].wise|Ref=JER_8:8!3|MId=o240080080031|Strong=2450|Type=adjective 4 אֲנַ֔חְנוּ אֲנַחְנוּ PRON _ Gender=Com|Number=Plur|Person=1|PronType=Prs 3 nsubj _ Gloss=we|Ref=JER_8:8!4|MId=o240080080041|Strong=0587|Type=personal 5-6 וְתוֹרַ֥ת _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 5 וְ וְ CCONJ _ _ 9 cc _ Gloss=and|Ref=JER_8:8!5|MId=o240080080051|Strong=2050b 6 תוֹרַ֥ת תּוֹרָה NOUN _ Gender=Fem|Number=Sing 9 nsubj _ Gloss=the.law|Ref=JER_8:8!5|MId=o240080080052|Strong=8451 7 יְהוָ֖ה יהוה PROPN _ _ 6 compound:smixut _ Gloss=of.Yahweh|Ref=JER_8:8!6|MId=o240080080061|Strong=3068 8-9 אִתָּ֑נוּ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 8 אִתּ אֵת ADP _ _ 9 case _ Gloss=[is].with|Ref=JER_8:8!7|MId=o240080080071|Strong=0854 9 ָ֑נוּ הוּא PRON _ Gender=Com|Number=Plur|Person=1|PronType=Prs 3 conj _ Gloss=us|Ref=JER_8:8!7|MId=o240080080072|Strong=5105a|Type=pronominal 10 אָכֵן֙ אָכֵן ADV _ _ 15 advmod _ Gloss=truly|Ref=JER_8:8!8|MId=o240080080081|Strong=0403 11 הִנֵּ֣ה הִנֵּה INTJ _ _ 15 discourse _ Gloss=here!|Ref=JER_8:8!9|MId=o240080080091|Strong=2009|Type=demonstrative 12-14 לַשֶּׁ֣קֶר _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 12 לַ לְ ADP _ _ 14 case _ Gloss=into|Ref=JER_8:8!10|MId=o240080080101|Strong=3807a 13 ה הַ DET _ PronType=Art 14 det _ Gloss=(the)|Ref=JER_8:8!10|MId=o240080080101ה|Strong=1886a|Type=definite_article 14 שֶּׁ֣קֶר שֶׁקֶר NOUN _ Gender=Masc|Number=Sing 15 obl _ Gloss=falsehood|Ref=JER_8:8!10|MId=o240080080102|Strong=8267 15 עָשָׂ֔ה עָשָׂה VERB _ Gender=Masc|HebBinyan=QAL|Number=Sing|Person=3 2 ccomp _ Gloss=it.has.made.[it]|Ref=JER_8:8!11|MId=o240080080111|Strong=6213|Frame=A0:240080080121;|Type=qatal 16 עֵ֖ט עֵט NOUN _ Gender=Masc|Number=Sing 15 nsubj _ Gloss=a.stylus|Ref=JER_8:8!12|MId=o240080080121|Strong=5842 17 שֶׁ֥קֶר שֶׁקֶר NOUN _ Gender=Masc|Number=Sing 16 compound:smixut _ Gloss=of.falsehood|Ref=JER_8:8!13|MId=o240080080131|Strong=8267 18 סֹפְרִֽים סֹפֵר NOUN _ Gender=Masc|Number=Plur 17 compound:smixut _ Gloss=of.scribes|Ref=JER_8:8!14|MId=o240080080141|Strong=5608a|SpaceAfter=No 19 ׃ ׃ PUNCT _ _ 18 punct _ Ref=JER_8:8!14 ``` ## Pragmatics {#pragmatics} - form: statement - act: assert - voice: character - speech: a frame and its quote - negation: no - the frame alone: decl · assert · none | verb | form · stem | who (A0) | what, whom (A1) | to whom, further (A2) | who makes it happen (AA) | | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | | תֹֽאמְרוּ *will you say* | yiqtol · qal | | חֲכָמִים *\[are\] wise* + ָנוּ *us* | | | | עָשָׂה *it has made \[it\]* | qatal · qal | עֵט *a stylus* | | | | MACULA's semantic frames: for each verb the head word of each participant. A0 is the one who acts, A1 what the act is done to or is about, A2 a further participant; AA, with a causative verb, the one who makes it happen. ## Targum Jonathan {#onkelos} אֵיכְדֵין תֵּימְרוּן חַכִּימִין אֲנַחְנָא וְעַל אוֹרַיְתָא דַייָ אַנַחְנָא רְחִיצִין בְּכֵן הָא לְשִׁקְרָא עָבֵיד סָפֵר קוּלְמַס דִשְׁקַר לְזַיָפָא: The Aramaic translation read beside the Hebrew. Text only: Mova has no Aramaic parser yet. ## English, JPS 1917 {#english} Each sentence on its own page, with its tree and pragmatics. A sentence that runs on into the next verse is listed under the verse it begins in. 1. [How do ye say: 'We are wise, and the Law of the LORD is with us'?](https://md.mova.elamur.ai/free/en/corpora/neviim/jps/JER.246/) 2. [Lo, certainly in vain hath wrought the vain pen of the scribes.](https://md.mova.elamur.ai/free/en/corpora/neviim/jps/JER.247/) **Hebrew text:** Westminster Leningrad Codex, public domain. **Tree, glosses and frames:** MACULA Hebrew Linguistic Datasets, available at [github.com/Clear-Bible/macula-hebrew](https://github.com/Clear-Bible/macula-hebrew/), [CC BY 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/); converted to Universal Dependencies by Mova (words in text order, a prefix its own word). **Speech act:** Mova's rules on the MACULA words (`macula prag`). **Targum:** Onkelos (Torat Emet), Jonathan and the Writings (Mikraot Gedolot), from Sefaria, public domain. **English:** JPS 1917, public domain; trees and speech acts by Mova's cycle, frames by Mova's reader (Elamur Cosmic License). 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