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title: Judges 8:8 (JPS 1917) — And he went up thence to Penuel, and spoke unto them in like manner;… · tree and pragmatics
description: And he went up thence to Penuel, and spoke unto them in like manner; and the men of Penuel answered him as the men of Succoth had answered. Who acts: LORD, men. Judges 8:8 in JPS 1917 with its dependency tree and the pragmatics of every clause.
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# Judges 8:8 · JPS 1917

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And he went up thence to Penuel, and spoke unto them in like manner; and the men of Penuel answered him as the men of Succoth had answered.

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**Who acts:** LORD, men · **What happens:** go up, speak, answer · **To what, where:** Penuel, like manner, LORD · **Speech:** someone speaks here

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This is Judges 8:8 · JPS 1917 in the English of the Jewish Publication Society's 1917 translation, from Mova's open Bible corpus. The page gives the sentence's syntax tree — a dependency tree in the style of Universal Dependencies, parsed by Mova and checked by a teacher model — and its pragmatics clause by clause: who acts (LORD, men), what happens, when and where, as Mova's frames read it. The original of the verse links back to its own tree and to the Targum.

## The tree {#tree}

```conllu
# sent_id = jps:JDG:232
# text = And he went up thence to Penuel, and spoke unto them in like manner; and the men of Penuel answered him as the men of Succoth had answered.
1	And	and	CCONJ	CC	_	3	cc	_	_
2	he	he	PRON	PRP	Case=Nom|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing|Person=3|PronType=Prs	3	nsubj	_	_
3	went	go	VERB	VBD	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Past|VerbForm=Fin	0	root	_	_
4	up	up	ADV	RB	_	3	advmod	_	_
5	thence	thence	ADV	RB	_	3	advmod	_	_
6	to	to	ADP	IN	_	7	case	_	_
7	Penuel	Penuel	PROPN	NNP	Number=Sing	3	obl	_	_
8	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	10	punct	_	_
9	and	and	CCONJ	CC	_	10	cc	_	_
10	spoke	speak	VERB	VBD	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Past|VerbForm=Fin	3	conj	_	_
11	unto	unto	ADP	IN	_	12	case	_	_
12	them	they	PRON	PRP	Case=Acc|Number=Plur|Person=3|PronType=Prs	10	obl	_	_
13	in	in	ADP	IN	_	15	case	_	_
14	like	like	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	15	amod	_	_
15	manner	manner	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	10	obl	_	_
16	;	;	PUNCT	:	_	22	punct	_	_
17	and	and	CCONJ	CC	_	22	cc	_	_
18	the	the	DET	DT	Definite=Def|PronType=Art	19	det	_	_
19	men	man	NOUN	NNS	Number=Plur	22	nsubj	_	_
20	of	of	ADP	IN	_	21	case	_	_
21	Penuel	Penuel	PROPN	NNP	Number=Sing	19	nmod	_	_
22	answered	answer	VERB	VBD	Mood=Ind|Number=Plur|Person=3|Tense=Past|VerbForm=Fin	3	conj	_	_
23	him	he	PRON	PRP	Case=Acc|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing|Person=3|PronType=Prs	22	obj	_	_
24	as	as	SCONJ	IN	_	30	mark	_	_
25	the	the	DET	DT	Definite=Def|PronType=Art	26	det	_	_
26	men	man	NOUN	NNS	Number=Plur	30	nsubj	_	_
27	of	of	ADP	IN	_	28	case	_	_
28	Succoth	Succoth	PROPN	NNP	Number=Sing	26	nmod	_	_
29	had	have	AUX	VBD	Mood=Ind|Number=Plur|Person=3|Tense=Past|VerbForm=Fin	30	aux	_	_
30	answered	answer	VERB	VBN	Tense=Past|VerbForm=Part|Voice=Pass	22	advcl	_	_
31	.	.	PUNCT	.	_	3	punct	_	_
```

## Pragmatics {#pragmatics}

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- form: statement
- act: assert
- voice: narrator
- polarity: none
- teacher: kept the draft

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **go up** | past | LORD |  | Penuel |  |  | thence *property* | vn calibratable\_cos-45.6.1-1 «NP.attribute V»: agent=Attribute |
| 2 | **speak** *speech: other* | past | LORD *not said here* |  |  | like manner |  | unto Zebah | vn talk-37.5 «NP V»: agent=Agent |
| 3 | **answer** *speech: assert* | past | the men of Penuel |  | LORD |  |  |  | vn reciprocate-112-1 «NP V PP»: agent=Agent he=Eventuality |
| 4 | **answer** *speech: assert* | past · perfect | the men of Succoth |  |  |  |  |  | vn reciprocate-112-1 «NP V»: agent=Agent |

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One row per clause the reader finds. «not said here»: a role filled from the clause above. «roles by»: a VerbNet class and frame when one fits the verb, else the reader's rules on the tree.

## The Hebrew of this verse {#hebrew}

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וַיַּ֤עַל מִשָּׁם֙ פְּנוּאֵ֔ל וַיְדַבֵּ֥ר אֲלֵיהֶ֖ם כָּזֹ֑את וַיַּעֲנ֤וּ אוֹתוֹ֙ אַנְשֵׁ֣י פְנוּאֵ֔ל כַּאֲשֶׁ֥ר עָנ֖וּ אַנְשֵׁ֥י סֻכּֽוֹת׃

[Judges 8:8: the Hebrew tree, its pragmatics and Targum Jonathan →](https://md.mova.elamur.ai/free/en/corpora/neviim/JDG.8.8/)

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**Source.** The Holy Scriptures according to the Masoretic Text, Jewish Publication Society, 1917, from eBible.org: public domain. Sentence `jps:JDG:232` of Mova's parse database.

**The tree and the speech act** come from Mova's cycle: the small model's draft, read by a large model as teacher, passed by Mova's gates (Elamur Cosmic License). **The frames** are read from the tree by Mova's frames reader (`prag`) when this page is built, the chapter read in order, so a pronoun may be resolved from an earlier sentence of the chapter.

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