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title: Jeremiah 8:4 (JPS 1917) — Moreover thou shalt say unto them: Thus saith the LORD: Do men fall,… · tree and pragmatics
description: Moreover thou shalt say unto them: Thus saith the LORD: Do men fall, and not rise up again? Who acts: thou, LORD, men. Jeremiah 8:4 in JPS 1917 with its dependency tree and the pragmatics of every clause.
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# Jeremiah 8:4 · JPS 1917, sentence 1 of 2

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Moreover thou shalt say unto them: Thus saith the LORD: Do men fall, and not rise up again?

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**Who acts:** thou, LORD, men · **What happens:** say, fall, not rise up · **Speech:** someone speaks here

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This is Jeremiah 8:4 · JPS 1917, sentence 1 of 2 in the English of the Jewish Publication Society's 1917 translation, from Mova's open Bible corpus. The page gives the sentence's syntax tree — a dependency tree in the style of Universal Dependencies, parsed by Mova and checked by a teacher model — and its pragmatics clause by clause: who acts (thou, LORD, men), what happens, when and where, as Mova's frames read it. The original of the verse links back to its own tree and to the Targum.

## The tree {#tree}

```conllu
# sent_id = jps:JER:240
# text = Moreover thou shalt say unto them: Thus saith the LORD: Do men fall, and not rise up again?
1	Moreover	moreover	ADV	RB	_	4	advmod	_	_
2	thou	thou	PRON	PRP	Case=Nom|Number=Sing|Person=2|PronType=Prs|Style=Arch	4	nsubj	_	_
3	shalt	shall	AUX	MD	Style=Arch|VerbForm=Fin	4	aux	_	_
4	say	say	VERB	VB	VerbForm=Inf	0	root	_	_
5	unto	unto	ADP	IN	_	6	case	_	_
6	them	they	PRON	PRP	Case=Acc|Number=Plur|Person=3|PronType=Prs	4	obl	_	_
7	:	:	PUNCT	:	_	9	punct	_	_
8	Thus	thus	ADV	RB	_	9	advmod	_	_
9	saith	say	VERB	VBZ	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Style=Arch|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	4	ccomp	_	_
10	the	the	DET	DT	Definite=Def|PronType=Art	11	det	_	_
11	LORD	LORD	PROPN	NNP	Number=Sing	9	nsubj	_	_
12	:	:	PUNCT	:	_	15	punct	_	_
13	Do	do	AUX	VBP	Mood=Ind|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	15	aux	_	_
14	men	man	NOUN	NNS	Number=Plur	15	nsubj	_	_
15	fall	fall	VERB	VB	VerbForm=Inf	9	ccomp	_	_
16	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	19	punct	_	_
17	and	and	CCONJ	CC	_	19	cc	_	_
18	not	not	PART	RB	Polarity=Neg	19	advmod	_	_
19	rise	rise	VERB	VB	VerbForm=Inf	15	conj	_	_
20	up	up	ADP	RP	_	19	compound:prt	_	_
21	again	again	ADV	RB	_	19	advmod	_	_
22	?	?	PUNCT	.	_	4	punct	_	_
```

## Pragmatics {#pragmatics}

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- form: yes/no question
- act: ask
- voice: character
- polarity: none
- teacher: changed voice=character

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **say** *speech: assert* | shall | thou |  |  |  |  | unto bones *= bone*; moreover *property* | vn say-37.7-1-1 «NP V that S»: agent=Agent clause=Topic |
| 2 | **say** *speech: assert* | present | the LORD |  |  |  |  | thus *property* | vn say-37.7-1-1 «NP V that S»: agent=Agent clause=Topic |
| 3 | **fall** | present · do-support | men |  |  |  |  |  | vn occur-48.3 «NP V»: agent=Theme |
| 4 | **not** **rise up** | infinitive | men *not said here* |  |  |  | again |  | vn assuming\_position-50 «NP V»: agent=Agent |

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One row per clause the reader finds. «not said here»: a role filled from the clause above. «roles by»: a VerbNet class and frame when one fits the verb, else the reader's rules on the tree.

## The Hebrew of this verse {#hebrew}

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וְאָמַרְתָּ֣ אֲלֵיהֶ֗ם כֹּ֚ה אָמַ֣ר יְהוָ֔ה הֲיִפְּל֖וּ וְלֹ֣א יָק֑וּמוּ אִם־יָשׁ֖וּב וְלֹ֥א יָשֽׁוּב׃

[Jeremiah 8:4: the Hebrew tree, its pragmatics and Targum Jonathan →](https://md.mova.elamur.ai/free/en/corpora/neviim/JER.8.4/)

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This verse in JPS 1917:

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1. **Moreover thou shalt say unto them: Thus saith the LORD: Do men fall, and not rise up again?**
2. [Doth one turn away, and not return?](https://md.mova.elamur.ai/free/en/corpora/neviim/jps/JER.241/)

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**Source.** The Holy Scriptures according to the Masoretic Text, Jewish Publication Society, 1917, from eBible.org: public domain. Sentence `jps:JER:240` of Mova's parse database.

**The tree and the speech act** come from Mova's cycle: the small model's draft, read by a large model as teacher, passed by Mova's gates (Elamur Cosmic License). **The frames** are read from the tree by Mova's frames reader (`prag`) when this page is built, the chapter read in order, so a pronoun may be resolved from an earlier sentence of the chapter.

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