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title: Holly says, "Giant squid are real, so this photo must be real." What… — How would we know? Asking experts and… · tree and pragmatics
description: Holly says, "Giant squid are real, so this photo must be real." What's wrong with her reasoning? Test 3 · ★★ of lesson 30 «How would we know? Asking experts and spotting tricks» of the myths course of Mova's primary school, with the dependency tree and pragmatics of the question and of each option; 
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# Test 3 · ★★ · How would we know? Asking experts and spotting tricks

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Holly says, "Giant squid are real, so this photo must be real." What's wrong with her reasoning?

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**Mova's choice:** option 3 · **The right answer:** option 4 · wrong ✗ · **Who acts:** Holly, Giant squid, photo · **What happens:** say, be, reason · **Speech:** someone speaks here

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This is test 3 · ★★ of lesson 30 «How would we know? Asking experts and spotting tricks» of the myths course of Mova's primary school. The page gives the question's syntax tree — a dependency tree in the style of Universal Dependencies — and its pragmatics clause by clause, then the 4 options as the student saw them, each with its tree and pragmatics. Every text is parsed by Mova itself. How the student answered it, with the score of every option and why: [the test at school](https://md.mova.elamur.ai/free/en/school-run/myths/30-how-would-we-know-asking-experts-and-spotting-tricks/#t3).

## The question {#question}

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*Sentence 1:* Holly says, "Giant squid are real, so this photo must be real."

```conllu
# sent_id = question:myths:30-how-would-we-know-asking-experts-and-spotting-tricks:t3:1
# text = Holly says, "Giant squid are real, so this photo must be real."
1	Holly	Holly	PROPN	NNP	Number=Sing	2	nsubj	_	_
2	says	say	VERB	VBZ	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	0	root	_	SpaceAfter=No
3	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	8	punct	_	_
4	"	"	PUNCT	``	_	8	punct	_	SpaceAfter=No
5	Giant	giant	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	6	amod	_	_
6	squid	squid	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	8	nsubj	_	_
7	are	be	AUX	VBP	Mood=Ind|Number=Plur|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	8	cop	_	_
8	real	real	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	2	ccomp	_	SpaceAfter=No
9	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	15	punct	_	_
10	so	so	ADV	RB	_	15	advmod	_	_
11	this	this	DET	DT	Number=Sing|PronType=Dem	12	det	_	_
12	photo	photo	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	15	nsubj	_	_
13	must	must	AUX	MD	VerbForm=Fin	15	aux	_	_
14	be	be	AUX	VB	VerbForm=Inf	15	cop	_	_
15	real	real	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	2	ccomp	_	SpaceAfter=No
16	.	.	PUNCT	.	_	15	punct	_	SpaceAfter=No
17	"	"	PUNCT	''	_	15	punct	_	_
```

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **say** *speech: assert* | present | Holly |  |  |  |  |  | vn say-37.7-1-1 «NP V that S»: agent=Agent |
| 2 | **is** *in a quote* | present | Giant squid |  |  |  |  | real *property* | tree rules |
| 3 | **is** *in a quote* | must | this photo |  |  |  |  | real *property* | tree rules |

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One row per clause the reader finds. «not said here»: a role filled from the clause above. «roles by»: a VerbNet class and frame when one fits the verb, else the reader's rules on the tree.

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*Sentence 2:* What's wrong with her reasoning?

```conllu
# sent_id = question:myths:30-how-would-we-know-asking-experts-and-spotting-tricks:t3:2
# text = What's wrong with her reasoning?
1	What	what	PRON	WP	PronType=Int	3	nsubj	_	SpaceAfter=No
2	's	be	AUX	VBZ	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	3	cop	_	_
3	wrong	wrong	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	0	root	_	_
4	with	with	ADP	IN	_	6	case	_	_
5	her	her	PRON	PRP$	Case=Gen|Gender=Fem|Number=Sing|Person=3|Poss=Yes|PronType=Prs	6	nmod:poss	_	_
6	reasoning	reasoning	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	3	obl	_	SpaceAfter=No
7	?	?	PUNCT	.	_	3	punct	_	_
```

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **is** | present |  |  |  |  |  | with Holly's reasoning; wrong *property* | tree rules |
| 2 | **reason** |  | Holly |  |  |  |  |  | nom reasoning «cognition intransitive»: poss=agent |

## The options {#options}

### Option 1 {#o1}

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Giant squid aren't real, so it's fake

```conllu
# sent_id = question:myths:30-how-would-we-know-asking-experts-and-spotting-tricks:t3:o1:1
# text = Giant squid aren't real, so it's fake
1	Giant	giant	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	2	amod	_	_
2	squid	squid	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	5	nsubj	_	_
3	are	be	AUX	VBP	Mood=Ind|Number=Plur|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	5	cop	_	SpaceAfter=No
4	n't	not	PART	RB	Polarity=Neg	5	advmod	_	_
5	real	real	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	0	root	_	SpaceAfter=No
6	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	10	punct	_	_
7	so	so	ADV	RB	_	10	advmod	_	_
8	it	it	PRON	PRP	Case=Nom|Gender=Neut|Number=Sing|Person=3|PronType=Prs	10	nsubj	_	SpaceAfter=No
9	's	be	AUX	VBZ	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	10	cop	_	_
10	fake	fake	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	5	conj	_	_
```

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **not** **is** | present | Giant squid |  |  |  |  | real *property* | tree rules |
| 2 | **is** | present | squid |  |  |  |  | fake *property* | tree rules |

### Option 2 {#o2}

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Photos of real animals can't be edited by anybody at all

```conllu
# sent_id = question:myths:30-how-would-we-know-asking-experts-and-spotting-tricks:t3:o2:1
# text = Photos of real animals can't be edited by anybody at all
1	Photos	photo	NOUN	NNS	Number=Plur	8	nsubj:pass	_	_
2	of	of	ADP	IN	_	4	case	_	_
3	real	real	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	4	amod	_	_
4	animals	animal	NOUN	NNS	Number=Plur	1	nmod	_	_
5	ca	can	AUX	MD	VerbForm=Fin	8	aux	_	SpaceAfter=No
6	n't	not	PART	RB	Polarity=Neg	8	advmod	_	_
7	be	be	AUX	VB	VerbForm=Inf	8	aux:pass	_	_
8	edited	edit	VERB	VBN	Tense=Past|VerbForm=Part|Voice=Pass	0	root	_	_
9	by	by	ADP	IN	_	10	case	_	_
10	anybody	anybody	PRON	NN	Number=Sing|PronType=Ind	8	obl	_	_
11	at	at	ADP	IN	_	12	case	_	_
12	all	all	DET	DT	PronType=Tot	8	obl	_	_
```

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **not** **edit** | can · passive | anybody | Photos of real animals |  | all |  |  | tree rules |

### Option 3 · ← Mova's choice {#o3}

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It's real only if the squid is moving

```conllu
# sent_id = question:myths:30-how-would-we-know-asking-experts-and-spotting-tricks:t3:o3:1
# text = It's real only if the squid is moving
1	It	it	PRON	PRP	Case=Nom|Gender=Neut|Number=Sing|Person=3|PronType=Prs	3	nsubj	_	SpaceAfter=No
2	's	be	AUX	VBZ	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	3	cop	_	_
3	real	real	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	0	root	_	_
4	only	only	ADV	RB	_	9	advmod	_	_
5	if	if	SCONJ	IN	_	9	mark	_	_
6	the	the	DET	DT	Definite=Def|PronType=Art	7	det	_	_
7	squid	squid	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	9	nsubj	_	_
8	is	be	AUX	VBZ	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	9	aux	_	_
9	moving	move	VERB	VBG	Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Part	3	advcl	_	_
```

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **is** | present | It |  |  |  |  | real *property* | tree rules |
| 2 | **move** *a condition, not said to happen* | present · progressive | the squid |  |  |  |  |  | vn roll-51.3.1 «NP.theme V»: agent=Theme |

### Option 4 · ✓ the right answer {#o4}

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A real animal can still be shown in an edited photo

```conllu
# sent_id = question:myths:30-how-would-we-know-asking-experts-and-spotting-tricks:t3:o4:1
# text = A real animal can still be shown in an edited photo
1	A	a	DET	DT	Definite=Ind|PronType=Art	3	det	_	_
2	real	real	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	3	amod	_	_
3	animal	animal	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	7	nsubj:pass	_	_
4	can	can	AUX	MD	VerbForm=Fin	7	aux	_	_
5	still	still	ADV	RB	_	7	advmod	_	_
6	be	be	AUX	VB	VerbForm=Inf	7	aux:pass	_	_
7	shown	show	VERB	VBN	Tense=Past|VerbForm=Part|Voice=Pass	0	root	_	_
8	in	in	ADP	IN	_	11	case	_	_
9	an	a	DET	DT	Definite=Ind|PronType=Art	11	det	_	_
10	edited	edit	VERB	VBN	Tense=Past|VerbForm=Part|Voice=Pass	11	amod	_	_
11	photo	photo	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	7	obl	_	_
```

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **show** | can · passive |  | a real animal |  |  | still | in a edited photo | vn crane-40.3.2 «NP V NP PP.recipient PP.theme»: subject=Patient in photo=Topic |
| 2 | **edit** | participle |  |  |  |  |  |  | tree rules |

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**Text:** the tests of Mova's primary school, written for Mova (`world/data/school/`), as the course runner gave them to the student. **Trees:** Mova's own parse — the `en` model on the CPU, when the site is built — not checked by a teacher; they may be wrong. **Frames:** Mova's frames reader (`prag`), each text read on its own. Elamur Cosmic License.

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