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title: Tyler's mate says, "my dad would NEVER cry, real men don't." Is that… — Living with loss: keeping memories, an… · tree and pragmatics
description: Tyler's mate says, "my dad would NEVER cry, real men don't." Is that right? Test 3 of lesson 3 «Living with loss: keeping memories, and loss that isn't death» of the reflection course of Mova's primary school, with the dependency tree and pragmatics of the question and of each option; Mova's choice 
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# Test 3 · Living with loss: keeping memories, and loss that isn't de…

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Tyler's mate says, "my dad would NEVER cry, real men don't." Is that right?

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**Mova's choice:** option 1 · **The right answer:** option 3 · wrong ✗ · **Who acts:** mate, dad, real men, that · **What happens:** say, not cry, not do, be · **Speech:** someone speaks here

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This is test 3 of lesson 3 «Living with loss: keeping memories, and loss that isn't death» of the reflection course of Mova's primary school. The page gives the question's syntax tree — a dependency tree in the style of Universal Dependencies — and its pragmatics clause by clause, then the 4 options as the student saw them, each with its tree and pragmatics. Every text is parsed by Mova itself. How the student answered it, with the score of every option and why: [the test at school](https://md.mova.elamur.ai/free/en/school-run/reflection/3-living-with-loss-keeping-memories-and-loss-that-isn-t-death/#t3).

## The question {#question}

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*Sentence 1:* Tyler's mate says, "my dad would NEVER cry, real men don't."

```conllu
# sent_id = question:reflection:3-living-with-loss-keeping-memories-and-loss-that-isn-t-death:t3:1
# text = Tyler's mate says, "my dad would NEVER cry, real men don't."
1	Tyler	Tyler	PROPN	NNP	Number=Sing	3	nmod:poss	_	SpaceAfter=No
2	's	's	PART	POS	_	1	case	_	_
3	mate	mate	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	4	nsubj	_	_
4	says	say	VERB	VBZ	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	0	root	_	SpaceAfter=No
5	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	4	punct	_	_
6	"	"	PUNCT	``	_	11	punct	_	SpaceAfter=No
7	my	my	PRON	PRP$	Case=Gen|Number=Sing|Person=1|Poss=Yes|PronType=Prs	8	nmod:poss	_	_
8	dad	dad	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	11	nsubj	_	_
9	would	would	AUX	MD	VerbForm=Fin	11	aux	_	_
10	NEVER	never	ADV	RB	PronType=Neg	11	advmod	_	_
11	cry	cry	VERB	VB	VerbForm=Inf	4	ccomp	_	SpaceAfter=No
12	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	15	punct	_	_
13	real	real	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	14	amod	_	_
14	men	man	NOUN	NNS	Number=Plur	15	nsubj	_	_
15	do	do	VERB	VBP	Mood=Ind|Number=Plur|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	11	conj	_	SpaceAfter=No
16	n't	not	PART	RB	Polarity=Neg	15	advmod	_	SpaceAfter=No
17	.	.	PUNCT	.	_	11	punct	_	SpaceAfter=No
18	"	"	PUNCT	''	_	11	punct	_	_
```

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **say** *speech: assert* | present | Tyler's mate |  |  |  |  |  | vn say-37.7-1-1 «NP V that S»: agent=Agent clause=Topic |
| 2 | **not** **cry** *speech: express* *in a quote* | would | my dad |  |  |  |  |  | vn manner\_speaking-37.3 «NP V»: agent=Agent |
| 3 | **not** **do** *in a quote* | present | real men |  |  |  |  |  | vn act-114-1 «NP V»: agent=Agent |

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One row per clause the reader finds. «not said here»: a role filled from the clause above. «roles by»: a VerbNet class and frame when one fits the verb, else the reader's rules on the tree.

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*Sentence 2:* Is that right?

```conllu
# sent_id = question:reflection:3-living-with-loss-keeping-memories-and-loss-that-isn-t-death:t3:2
# text = Is that right?
1	Is	be	AUX	VBZ	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	3	cop	_	_
2	that	that	PRON	DT	Number=Sing|PronType=Dem	3	nsubj	_	_
3	right	right	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	0	root	_	SpaceAfter=No
4	?	?	PUNCT	.	_	3	punct	_	_
```

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **is** | present | that |  |  |  |  | right *property* | tree rules |

## The options {#options}

### Option 1 · ← Mova's choice {#o1}

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No, but men only cry when they are physically hurt

```conllu
# sent_id = question:reflection:3-living-with-loss-keeping-memories-and-loss-that-isn-t-death:t3:o1:1
# text = No, but men only cry when they are physically hurt
1	No	no	INTJ	UH	Polarity=Neg	6	discourse	_	SpaceAfter=No
2	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	6	punct	_	_
3	but	but	CCONJ	CC	_	6	cc	_	_
4	men	man	NOUN	NNS	Number=Plur	6	nsubj	_	_
5	only	only	ADV	RB	_	6	advmod	_	_
6	cry	cry	VERB	VBP	Mood=Ind|Number=Plur|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	0	root	_	_
7	when	when	ADV	WRB	PronType=Int	11	advmod	_	_
8	they	they	PRON	PRP	Case=Nom|Number=Plur|Person=3|PronType=Prs	11	nsubj	_	_
9	are	be	AUX	VBP	Mood=Ind|Number=Plur|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	11	aux:pass	_	_
10	physically	physically	ADV	RB	_	11	advmod	_	_
11	hurt	hurt	VERB	VBN	Tense=Past|VerbForm=Part|Voice=Pass	6	advcl	_	_
```

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **cry** *speech: express* | present | men |  |  |  |  |  | vn manner\_speaking-37.3 «NP V»: agent=Agent |
| 2 | **hurt** | present · passive |  | men *= man* |  |  |  | physically *property* | vn hurt-40.8.3-2 «NP V NP»: subject=Patient |

### Option 2 {#o2}

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Yes; crying is only for women and small children

```conllu
# sent_id = question:reflection:3-living-with-loss-keeping-memories-and-loss-that-isn-t-death:t3:o2:1
# text = Yes; crying is only for women and small children
1	Yes	yes	INTJ	UH	Polarity=Pos	7	discourse	_	SpaceAfter=No
2	;	;	PUNCT	:	_	1	punct	_	_
3	crying	crying	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	7	nsubj	_	_
4	is	be	AUX	VBZ	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	7	cop	_	_
5	only	only	ADV	RB	_	7	advmod	_	_
6	for	for	ADP	IN	_	7	case	_	_
7	women	woman	NOUN	NNS	Number=Plur	0	root	_	_
8	and	and	CCONJ	CC	_	10	cc	_	_
9	small	small	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	10	amod	_	_
10	children	child	NOUN	NNS	Number=Plur	7	conj	_	_
```

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **is** | present | crying |  |  |  |  | for women and small children | tree rules |

### Option 3 · ✓ the right answer {#o3}

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No; grown men cry too, about things they loved long

```conllu
# sent_id = question:reflection:3-living-with-loss-keeping-memories-and-loss-that-isn-t-death:t3:o3:1
# text = No; grown men cry too, about things they loved long
1	No	no	INTJ	UH	Polarity=Neg	5	discourse	_	SpaceAfter=No
2	;	;	PUNCT	,	_	1	punct	_	_
3	grown	grow	VERB	VBN	Tense=Past|VerbForm=Part|Voice=Pass	4	amod	_	_
4	men	man	NOUN	NNS	Number=Plur	5	nsubj	_	_
5	cry	cry	VERB	VBP	Mood=Ind|Number=Plur|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	0	root	_	_
6	too	too	ADV	RB	_	5	advmod	_	SpaceAfter=No
7	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	9	punct	_	_
8	about	about	ADP	IN	_	9	case	_	_
9	things	thing	NOUN	NNS	Number=Plur	5	obl	_	_
10	they	they	PRON	PRP	Case=Nom|Number=Plur|Person=3|PronType=Prs	11	nsubj	_	_
11	loved	love	VERB	VBD	Mood=Ind|Number=Plur|Person=3|Tense=Past|VerbForm=Fin	9	acl:relcl	_	_
12	long	long	ADV	RB	Degree=Pos	11	advmod	_	_
```

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **grow** | participle |  |  |  |  |  |  | vn appear-48.1.1 «NP V»: agent=Theme |
| 2 | **cry** *speech: express* | present | grown men |  |  |  |  | about things | vn manner\_speaking-37.3 «NP V PP.topic»: agent=Agent about thing=Topic |
| 3 | **love** | past | men *= man* | things *not said here* |  |  |  | long *property* | vn admire-31.2-1 «NP V NP»: agent=Experiencer thing=Stimulus |

### Option 4 {#o4}

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Yes; men stop being able to cry when they turn thirty

```conllu
# sent_id = question:reflection:3-living-with-loss-keeping-memories-and-loss-that-isn-t-death:t3:o4:1
# text = Yes; men stop being able to cry when they turn thirty
1	Yes	yes	INTJ	UH	Polarity=Pos	4	discourse	_	SpaceAfter=No
2	;	;	PUNCT	,	_	1	punct	_	_
3	men	man	NOUN	NNS	Number=Plur	4	nsubj	_	_
4	stop	stop	VERB	VBP	Mood=Ind|Number=Plur|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	6	advcl	_	_
5	being	be	AUX	VBG	Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Part	6	cop	_	_
6	able	able	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	0	root	_	_
7	to	to	PART	TO	_	8	mark	_	_
8	cry	cry	VERB	VB	VerbForm=Inf	6	xcomp	_	_
9	when	when	ADV	WRB	PronType=Int	11	advmod	_	_
10	they	they	PRON	PRP	Case=Nom|Number=Plur|Person=3|PronType=Prs	11	nsubj	_	_
11	turn	turn	VERB	VBP	Mood=Ind|Number=Plur|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	8	advcl	_	_
12	thirty	thirty	NUM	CD	NumForm=Word|NumType=Card	11	obj	_	_
```

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **stop** | present | men |  |  |  |  |  | vn stop-55.4-1-1 «NP.eventuality V»: agent=Eventuality |
| 2 | **is** | gerund |  |  |  |  |  | able *property* | tree rules |
| 3 | **cry** *speech: express* | to-infinitive |  |  |  |  |  |  | vn manner\_speaking-37.3 «NP V»: agent=Agent |
| 4 | **turn** | present | men *= man* | thirty |  |  |  |  | vn roll-51.3.1 «NP V NP.theme»: agent=Agent thirty=Theme |

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**Text:** the tests of Mova's primary school, written for Mova (`world/data/school/`), as the course runner gave them to the student. **Trees:** Mova's own parse — the `en` model on the CPU, when the site is built — not checked by a teacher; they may be wrong. **Frames:** Mova's frames reader (`prag`), each text read on its own. Elamur Cosmic License.

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