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# Test 2 · ★★★ · How to argue: counter-arguments and respect

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ur only saying that cos ur a goody-goody church kid. What kind of reply is this?

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**Mova's choice:** option 3 · **The right answer:** option 4 · wrong ✗ · **Who acts:** you, this · **What happens:** ur, say, co, be · **To what, where:** kind · **Speech:** someone speaks here

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This is test 2 · ★★★ of lesson 40 «How to argue: counter-arguments and respect» of the religion ethics course of Mova's primary school. The page gives the question's syntax tree — a dependency tree in the style of Universal Dependencies — and its pragmatics clause by clause, then the 4 options as the student saw them, each with its tree and pragmatics. Every text is parsed by Mova itself. How the student answered it, with the score of every option and why: [the test at school](https://md.mova.elamur.ai/free/en/school-run/religion-ethics/40-how-to-argue-counter-arguments-and-respect/#t2).

## The question {#question}

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*Sentence 1:* ur only saying that cos ur a goody-goody church kid.

```conllu
# sent_id = question:religion-ethics:40-how-to-argue-counter-arguments-and-respect:t2:1
# text = ur only saying that cos ur a goody-goody church kid.
1	ur	ur	VERB	VB	Mood=Imp|VerbForm=Fin	0	root	_	_
2	only	only	ADV	RB	_	3	advmod	_	_
3	saying	say	VERB	VBG	Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Part	1	advcl	_	_
4	that	that	SCONJ	IN	_	5	mark	_	_
5	cos	co	VERB	VBZ	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	3	ccomp	_	_
6	ur	ur	ADP	IN	_	12	case	_	_
7	a	a	DET	DT	Definite=Ind|PronType=Art	12	det	_	_
8	goody	goody	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	10	compound	_	SpaceAfter=No
9	-	-	PUNCT	HYPH	_	8	punct	_	SpaceAfter=No
10	goody	goody	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	11	compound	_	_
11	church	church	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	12	compound	_	_
12	kid	kid	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	5	obl	_	SpaceAfter=No
13	.	.	PUNCT	.	_	1	punct	_	_
```

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **ur** | imperative | you *not said here* |  |  |  |  |  | tree rules |
| 2 | **say** *speech: assert* | gerund | you *not said here* |  |  |  |  |  | vn say-37.7-1-1 «NP V that S»: agent=Agent clause=Topic |
| 3 | **co** | present |  |  |  |  |  | ur a church kid | tree rules |

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One row per clause the reader finds. «not said here»: a role filled from the clause above. «roles by»: a VerbNet class and frame when one fits the verb, else the reader's rules on the tree.

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*Sentence 2:* What kind of reply is this?

```conllu
# sent_id = question:religion-ethics:40-how-to-argue-counter-arguments-and-respect:t2:2
# text = What kind of reply is this?
1	What	what	DET	WDT	PronType=Int	2	det	_	_
2	kind	kind	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	0	root	_	_
3	of	of	ADP	IN	_	4	case	_	_
4	reply	reply	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	2	nmod	_	_
5	is	be	AUX	VBZ	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	2	cop	_	_
6	this	this	PRON	DT	Number=Sing|PronType=Dem	2	nsubj	_	SpaceAfter=No
7	?	?	PUNCT	.	_	2	punct	_	_
```

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **is a** | present | this | what kind |  |  |  | of reply | tree rules |

## The options {#options}

### Option 1 {#o1}

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An example of steel-manning the other side's view

```conllu
# sent_id = question:religion-ethics:40-how-to-argue-counter-arguments-and-respect:t2:o1:1
# text = An example of steel-manning the other side's view
1	An	a	DET	DT	Definite=Ind|PronType=Art	2	det	_	_
2	example	example	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	0	root	_	_
3	of	of	SCONJ	IN	_	6	mark	_	_
4	steel	steel	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	6	compound	_	SpaceAfter=No
5	-	-	PUNCT	HYPH	_	4	punct	_	SpaceAfter=No
6	manning	man	VERB	VBG	VerbForm=Ger	2	acl	_	_
7	the	the	DET	DT	Definite=Def|PronType=Art	9	det	_	_
8	other	other	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	9	amod	_	_
9	side	side	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	11	nmod:poss	_	SpaceAfter=No
10	's	's	PART	POS	_	9	case	_	_
11	view	view	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	6	obj	_	_
```

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **man** | gerund | a example *not said here* | the other side's view |  |  |  |  | tree rules |
| 2 | **view** |  | the other side |  |  |  |  |  | nom view «cognition transitive»: poss=agent |

### Option 2 {#o2}

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A clarifying question about what a word means

```conllu
# sent_id = question:religion-ethics:40-how-to-argue-counter-arguments-and-respect:t2:o2:1
# text = A clarifying question about what a word means
1	A	a	DET	DT	Definite=Ind|PronType=Art	3	det	_	_
2	clarifying	clarify	VERB	VBG	VerbForm=Ger	3	amod	_	_
3	question	question	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	0	root	_	_
4	about	about	ADP	IN	_	5	case	_	_
5	what	what	PRON	WP	PronType=Rel	3	nmod	_	_
6	a	a	DET	DT	Definite=Ind|PronType=Art	7	det	_	_
7	word	word	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	8	nsubj	_	_
8	means	mean	VERB	VBZ	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	5	acl:relcl	_	_
```

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **clarify** | gerund |  |  |  |  |  |  | vn other\_cos-45.4 «NP.patient V»: agent=Patient |
| 2 | **mean** | present | a word |  |  |  |  |  | vn intend-61.2-1 «NP V S»: agent=Agent |

### Option 3 · ← Mova's choice {#o3}

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A strong counter-argument about the reasons given

```conllu
# sent_id = question:religion-ethics:40-how-to-argue-counter-arguments-and-respect:t2:o3:1
# text = A strong counter-argument about the reasons given
1	A	a	DET	DT	Definite=Ind|PronType=Art	3	det	_	_
2	strong	strong	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	3	amod	_	_
3	counter-argument	counter-argument	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	0	root	_	_
4	about	about	ADP	IN	_	6	case	_	_
5	the	the	DET	DT	Definite=Def|PronType=Art	6	det	_	_
6	reasons	reason	NOUN	NNS	Number=Plur	3	nmod	_	_
7	given	give	VERB	VBN	Tense=Past|VerbForm=Part|Voice=Pass	6	acl	_	_
```

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **give** | participle |  | the reasons *not said here* |  |  |  |  | vn break\_down-45.8 «NP V»: agent=Patient |

### Option 4 · ✓ the right answer {#o4}

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A personal attack

```conllu
# sent_id = question:religion-ethics:40-how-to-argue-counter-arguments-and-respect:t2:o4:1
# text = A personal attack
1	A	a	DET	DT	Definite=Ind|PronType=Art	3	det	_	_
2	personal	personal	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	3	amod	_	_
3	attack	attack	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	0	root	_	_
```

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The frames reader finds no event or fact in this sentence.

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**Text:** the tests of Mova's primary school, written for Mova (`world/data/school/`), as the course runner gave them to the student. **Trees:** Mova's own parse — the `en` model on the CPU, when the site is built — not checked by a teacher; they may be wrong. **Frames:** Mova's frames reader (`prag`), each text read on its own. Elamur Cosmic License.

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