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# Test 6 · ★★★ · Olympiad: everyday reasoning ★★★

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Mia at the footy in the arvo: "I'm 5th from the front and 5th from the back, so there's 10 of us, heaps." How many are there?

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**Mova's choice:** option 1 · **The right answer:** option 4 · wrong ✗ · **Who acts:** I, 10, many · **What happens:** be · **To what, where:** front

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This is test 6 · ★★★ of lesson 194 «Olympiad: everyday reasoning ★★★» of the world course of Mova's primary school. The page gives the question's syntax tree — a dependency tree in the style of Universal Dependencies — and its pragmatics clause by clause, then the 4 options as the student saw them, each with its tree and pragmatics. Every text is parsed by Mova itself. How the student answered it, with the score of every option and why: [the test at school](https://md.mova.elamur.ai/free/en/school-run/world/194-olympiad-everyday-reasoning/#t6).

## The question {#question}

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*Sentence 1:* Mia at the footy in the arvo: "I'm 5th from the front and 5th from the back, so there's 10 of us, heaps."

```conllu
# sent_id = question:world:194-olympiad-everyday-reasoning:t6:1
# text = Mia at the footy in the arvo: "I'm 5th from the front and 5th from the back, so there's 10 of us, heaps."
1	Mia	Mia	PROPN	NNP	Number=Sing	4	nsubj	_	_
2	at	at	ADP	IN	_	4	case	_	_
3	the	the	DET	DT	Definite=Def|PronType=Art	4	det	_	_
4	footy	footy	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	0	root	_	_
5	in	in	ADP	IN	_	7	case	_	_
6	the	the	DET	DT	Definite=Def|PronType=Art	7	det	_	_
7	arvo	arvo	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	4	nmod	_	SpaceAfter=No
8	:	:	PUNCT	:	_	12	punct	_	_
9	"	"	PUNCT	``	_	12	punct	_	SpaceAfter=No
10	I	I	PRON	PRP	Case=Nom|Number=Sing|Person=1|PronType=Prs	12	nsubj	_	SpaceAfter=No
11	'm	be	AUX	VBP	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=1|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	12	cop	_	_
12	5th	5th	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos|NumForm=Combi|NumType=Ord	4	parataxis	_	_
13	from	from	ADP	IN	_	15	case	_	_
14	the	the	DET	DT	Definite=Def|PronType=Art	15	det	_	_
15	front	front	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	12	obl	_	_
16	and	and	CCONJ	CC	_	17	cc	_	_
17	5th	5th	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing|NumForm=Combi|NumType=Ord	15	conj	_	_
18	from	from	ADP	IN	_	20	case	_	_
19	the	the	DET	DT	Definite=Def|PronType=Art	20	det	_	_
20	back	back	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	15	nmod	_	SpaceAfter=No
21	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	24	punct	_	_
22	so	so	ADV	RB	_	24	advmod	_	_
23	there	there	PRON	EX	PronType=Dem	24	expl	_	SpaceAfter=No
24	's	be	VERB	VBZ	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	12	parataxis	_	_
25	10	10	NUM	CD	NumForm=Digit|NumType=Card	24	nsubj	_	_
26	of	of	ADP	IN	_	27	case	_	_
27	us	we	PRON	PRP	Case=Acc|Number=Plur|Person=1|PronType=Prs	25	nmod	_	SpaceAfter=No
28	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	29	punct	_	_
29	heaps	heap	NOUN	NNS	Number=Plur	4	conj	_	SpaceAfter=No
30	.	.	PUNCT	.	_	4	punct	_	SpaceAfter=No
31	"	"	PUNCT	''	_	4	punct	_	_
```

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **is** *in a quote* | present | I |  |  | the front from the back and 5th |  | 5th *property* | tree rules |
| 2 | **be** *in a quote* | present | 10 of us |  |  | there |  |  | vn exist-47.1 «NP V»: agent=Theme |

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One row per clause the reader finds. «not said here»: a role filled from the clause above. «roles by»: a VerbNet class and frame when one fits the verb, else the reader's rules on the tree.

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*Sentence 2:* How many are there?

```conllu
# sent_id = question:world:194-olympiad-everyday-reasoning:t6:2
# text = How many are there?
1	How	how	ADV	WRB	PronType=Int	2	advmod	_	_
2	many	many	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	4	nsubj	_	_
3	are	be	AUX	VBP	Mood=Ind|Number=Plur|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	4	cop	_	_
4	there	there	ADV	RB	PronType=Dem	0	root	_	SpaceAfter=No
5	?	?	PUNCT	.	_	4	punct	_	_
```

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **is** | present | many |  |  |  |  | there *property* | tree rules |

## The options {#options}

### Option 1 · ← Mova's choice {#o1}

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5, because both counts match

```conllu
# sent_id = question:world:194-olympiad-everyday-reasoning:t6:o1:1
# text = 5, because both counts match
1	5	5	NUM	CD	NumForm=Digit|NumType=Card	0	root	_	SpaceAfter=No
2	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	6	punct	_	_
3	because	because	SCONJ	IN	_	6	mark	_	_
4	both	both	DET	DT	PronType=Tot	5	det	_	_
5	counts	count	NOUN	NNS	Number=Plur	6	nsubj	_	_
6	match	match	VERB	VBP	Mood=Ind|Number=Plur|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	1	conj	_	_
```

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **match** | present | both counts |  |  |  |  |  | vn amalgamate-22.2-1 «NP V ADVP-Middle»: agent=Patient |

### Option 2 {#o2}

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10, as she said

```conllu
# sent_id = question:world:194-olympiad-everyday-reasoning:t6:o2:1
# text = 10, as she said
1	10	10	NUM	CD	NumForm=Digit|NumType=Card	0	root	_	SpaceAfter=No
2	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	5	punct	_	_
3	as	as	SCONJ	IN	_	5	mark	_	_
4	she	she	PRON	PRP	Case=Nom|Gender=Fem|Number=Sing|Person=3|PronType=Prs	5	nsubj	_	_
5	said	say	VERB	VBD	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Past|VerbForm=Fin	1	parataxis	_	_
```

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **say** *speech: assert* | past | she |  |  |  |  |  | vn say-37.7-1-1 «NP V that S»: agent=Agent |

### Option 3 {#o3}

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11, counting her once extra

```conllu
# sent_id = question:world:194-olympiad-everyday-reasoning:t6:o3:1
# text = 11, counting her once extra
1	11	11	NUM	CD	NumForm=Digit|NumType=Card	3	nsubj	_	SpaceAfter=No
2	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	1	punct	_	_
3	counting	count	VERB	VBG	VerbForm=Ger	0	root	_	_
4	her	she	PRON	PRP	Case=Acc|Gender=Fem|Number=Sing|Person=3|PronType=Prs	3	obj	_	_
5	once	once	ADV	RB	NumForm=Word|NumType=Mult	3	advmod	_	_
6	extra	extra	ADV	RB	_	3	advmod	_	_
```

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **count** | gerund | 11 | her *= she* |  |  |  | extra, once *property* | vn multiply-108 «NP V NP»: agent=Agent she=Theme |

### Option 4 · ✓ the right answer {#o4}

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9; she was counted twice

```conllu
# sent_id = question:world:194-olympiad-everyday-reasoning:t6:o4:1
# text = 9; she was counted twice
1	9	9	NUM	CD	NumForm=Digit|NumType=Card	0	root	_	SpaceAfter=No
2	;	;	PUNCT	:	_	5	punct	_	_
3	she	she	PRON	PRP	Case=Nom|Gender=Fem|Number=Sing|Person=3|PronType=Prs	5	nsubj	_	_
4	was	be	AUX	VBD	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Past|VerbForm=Fin	5	aux:pass	_	_
5	counted	count	VERB	VBN	Tense=Past|VerbForm=Part|Voice=Pass	1	conj	_	_
6	twice	twice	ADV	RB	NumForm=Word|NumType=Mult	5	advmod	_	_
```

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **count** | past · passive |  | she |  |  |  | twice *property* | vn multiply-108 «NP V NP»: subject=Theme |

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