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title: Liverpool and Manchester speakers say "our kid" for a brother or sis… — Commas: lists, clauses and clarity · tree and pragmatics
description: Liverpool and Manchester speakers say "our kid" for a brother or sister and "me mam" for my mum; in formal writing these become "my brother" and "my mum". Who acts: Liverpool speakers, these. A sentence of the lesson «Commas: lists, clauses and clarity» of the english course of Mova's primary school
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# Commas: lists, clauses and clarity, sentence 17

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Liverpool and Manchester speakers say "our kid" for a brother or sister and "me mam" for my mum; in formal writing these become "my brother" and "my mum".

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**Who acts:** Liverpool speakers, these · **What happens:** say, become · **To what, where:** kid, brother, formal writing · **Speech:** someone speaks here

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This is a sentence of the lesson «Commas: lists, clauses and clarity» of the english course of Mova's primary school. The page gives its syntax tree — a dependency tree in the style of Universal Dependencies — and its pragmatics clause by clause: who acts (Liverpool speakers, these), what happens, when and where, as Mova's frames read it from the tree.

## The tree {#tree}

```conllu
# sent_id = school:english:033-commas-lists-clauses-and-clarity.lesson:17
# text = Liverpool and Manchester speakers say "our kid" for a brother or sister and "me mam" for my mum; in formal writing these become "my brother" and "my mum".
# source = school lesson (ours)
# course = english
# lesson = 033-commas-lists-clauses-and-clarity.lesson
# annotation = Mova annot: Rust (en) → Haiku 5.5 (medium, Batches API) patches; gates UD 2.18; agreed by treeagree rules (Stanza, Trankit, spaCy trf): R6-punct-agree ×1, R8-pos-agree ×2
1	Liverpool	Liverpool	PROPN	NNP	Number=Sing	4	compound	_	_
2	and	and	CCONJ	CC	_	3	cc	_	_
3	Manchester	Manchester	PROPN	NNP	Number=Sing	1	conj	_	_
4	speakers	speaker	NOUN	NNS	Number=Plur	5	nsubj	_	_
5	say	say	VERB	VBP	Mood=Ind|Number=Plur|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	0	root	_	_
6	"	"	PUNCT	``	_	8	punct	_	Agree=R8-pos-agree|Haiku=8:punct|HaikuPos=PUNCT:'':_
7	our	our	PRON	PRP$	Case=Gen|Number=Plur|Person=1|Poss=Yes|PronType=Prs	8	nmod:poss	_	_
8	kid	kid	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	5	obj	_	_
9	"	"	PUNCT	''	_	8	punct	_	_
10	for	for	ADP	IN	_	12	case	_	_
11	a	a	DET	DT	Definite=Ind|PronType=Art	12	det	_	_
12	brother	brother	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	8	nmod	_	_
13	or	or	CCONJ	CC	_	14	cc	_	_
14	sister	sister	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	12	conj	_	_
15	and	and	CCONJ	CC	_	17	cc	_	_
16	"	"	PUNCT	``	_	17	punct	_	_
17	me	I	PRON	PRP	Case=Acc|Number=Sing|Person=1|PronType=Prs	14	conj	_	_
18	mam	mam	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	8	conj	_	_
19	"	"	PUNCT	''	_	18	punct	_	_
20	for	for	ADP	IN	_	22	case	_	_
21	my	my	PRON	PRP$	Case=Gen|Number=Sing|Person=1|Poss=Yes|PronType=Prs	22	nmod:poss	_	_
22	mum	mum	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	18	nmod	_	_
23	;	;	PUNCT	:	_	28	punct	_	_
24	in	in	ADP	IN	_	26	case	_	_
25	formal	formal	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	26	amod	_	_
26	writing	writing	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	28	obl	_	_
27	these	this	PRON	DT	Number=Plur|PronType=Dem	28	nsubj	_	Agree=R8-pos-agree|Haiku=28:nsubj|HaikuPos=DET:DT:Number=Plur|PronType=Dem
28	become	become	VERB	VBP	Mood=Ind|Number=Plur|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	5	parataxis	_	_
29	"	"	PUNCT	``	_	31	punct	_	Agree=R6-punct-agree|Haiku=28:punct|HaikuPos=PUNCT:'':_
30	my	my	PRON	PRP$	Case=Gen|Number=Sing|Person=1|Poss=Yes|PronType=Prs	31	nmod:poss	_	_
31	brother	brother	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	28	xcomp	_	_
32	"	"	PUNCT	''	_	31	punct	_	_
33	and	and	CCONJ	CC	_	36	cc	_	_
34	"	"	PUNCT	``	_	36	punct	_	_
35	my	my	PRON	PRP$	Case=Gen|Number=Sing|Person=1|Poss=Yes|PronType=Prs	36	nmod:poss	_	_
36	mum	mum	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	31	conj	_	_
37	"	"	PUNCT	''	_	36	punct	_	_
38	.	.	PUNCT	.	_	5	punct	_	_
```

## Pragmatics {#pragmatics}

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No stored speech act for this sentence.

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **say** *speech: assert* | present | Liverpool speakers | our kid and mam for my mum |  |  |  | for a brother or sister | vn say-37.7-1-1 «NP V NP.topic»: agent=Agent kid=Topic |
| 2 | **become** | present | these | my brother and my mum |  |  |  | in formal writing *result* | vn become-109.1-1-1 «NP V PP.attribute»: agent=Patient in writing=Result |

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One row per clause the reader finds. «not said here»: a role filled from the clause above. «roles by»: a VerbNet class and frame when one fits the verb, else the reader's rules on the tree.

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**The tree:** Mova annot: Rust (en) → Haiku 5.5 (medium, Batches API) patches; gates UD 2.18; agreed by treeagree rules (Stanza, Trankit, spaCy trf): R6-punct-agree ×1, R8-pos-agree ×2. **The frames** are read from the tree by Mova's frames reader (`prag`) when this page is built, the lesson read in order, so a pronoun may be resolved from an earlier sentence.

See the [release 0.4](https://md.mova.elamur.ai/free/en/releases/0.4/).

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