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title: Some philosophers say tricky true words are better than a lie; other… — Kind truths: honesty with a gentle voice · tree and pragmatics
description: Some philosophers say tricky true words are better than a lie; others say any attempt to mislead is the same wrong. Who acts: philosophers, tricky true words, others, attempt. A sentence of the lesson «Kind truths: honesty with a gentle voice» of the religion ethics course of Mova's primary school w
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# Kind truths: honesty with a gentle voice, sentence 9

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Some philosophers say tricky true words are better than a lie; others say any attempt to mislead is the same wrong.

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**Who acts:** philosophers, tricky true words, others, attempt · **What happens:** say, be, mislead · **Speech:** someone speaks here

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This is a sentence of the lesson «Kind truths: honesty with a gentle voice» of the religion ethics course of Mova's primary school. The page gives its syntax tree — a dependency tree in the style of Universal Dependencies — and its pragmatics clause by clause: who acts (philosophers, tricky true words, others, attempt), what happens, when and where, as Mova's frames read it from the tree.

## The tree {#tree}

```conllu
# sent_id = school:religion-ethics:084-kind-truths-honesty-with-a-gentle-voice.lesson:9
# text = Some philosophers say tricky true words are better than a lie; others say any attempt to mislead is the same wrong.
# source = school lesson (ours)
# course = religion-ethics
# lesson = 084-kind-truths-honesty-with-a-gentle-voice.lesson
# annotation = Mova annot: Rust (en) → Haiku 5.5 (medium, Batches API) patches; gates UD 2.18; agreed by treeagree rules (Stanza, Trankit, spaCy trf): no change
1	Some	some	DET	DT	PronType=Ind	2	det	_	_
2	philosophers	philosopher	NOUN	NNS	Number=Plur	3	nsubj	_	_
3	say	say	VERB	VBP	Mood=Ind|Number=Plur|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	0	root	_	_
4	tricky	tricky	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	6	amod	_	_
5	true	true	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	6	amod	_	_
6	words	word	NOUN	NNS	Number=Plur	8	nsubj	_	_
7	are	be	AUX	VBP	Mood=Ind|Number=Plur|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	8	cop	_	_
8	better	good	ADJ	JJR	Degree=Cmp	3	ccomp	_	_
9	than	than	ADP	IN	_	11	case	_	_
10	a	a	DET	DT	Definite=Ind|PronType=Art	11	det	_	_
11	lie	lie	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	8	obl	_	_
12	;	;	PUNCT	,	_	14	punct	_	_
13	others	other	NOUN	NNS	Number=Plur	14	nsubj	_	_
14	say	say	VERB	VBP	Mood=Ind|Number=Plur|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	3	parataxis	_	_
15	any	any	DET	DT	PronType=Ind	16	det	_	_
16	attempt	attempt	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	22	nsubj	_	_
17	to	to	PART	TO	_	18	mark	_	_
18	mislead	mislead	VERB	VB	VerbForm=Inf	16	acl	_	_
19	is	be	AUX	VBZ	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	22	cop	_	_
20	the	the	DET	DT	Definite=Def|PronType=Art	22	det	_	_
21	same	same	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	22	amod	_	_
22	wrong	wrong	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	14	ccomp	_	_
23	.	.	PUNCT	.	_	3	punct	_	_
```

## Pragmatics {#pragmatics}

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No stored speech act for this sentence.

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **say** *speech: assert* | present | some philosophers |  |  |  |  |  | vn say-37.7-1-1 «NP V that S»: agent=Agent |
| 2 | **is** | present | tricky true words |  |  |  |  | than a lie; good *property* | tree rules |
| 3 | **say** *speech: assert* | present | others |  |  |  |  |  | vn say-37.7-1-1 «NP V that S»: agent=Agent |
| 4 | **mislead** | to-infinitive | any attempt *not said here* |  |  |  |  |  | vn trick-59.2 «NP V NP»: agent=Agent |
| 5 | **is** | present | any attempt |  |  |  |  | wrong *property* | tree rules |

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One row per clause the reader finds. «not said here»: a role filled from the clause above. «roles by»: a VerbNet class and frame when one fits the verb, else the reader's rules on the tree.

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**The tree:** Mova annot: Rust (en) → Haiku 5.5 (medium, Batches API) patches; gates UD 2.18; agreed by treeagree rules (Stanza, Trankit, spaCy trf): no change. **The frames** are read from the tree by Mova's frames reader (`prag`) when this page is built, the lesson read in order, so a pronoun may be resolved from an earlier sentence.

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