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title: There was an old woman up in this world who sat over a hole in the s… — Myths and Folk-lore of the Timiskaming Algonquin… · tree and pragmatics
description: There was an old woman up in this world who sat over a hole in the sky, and, whenever she moved, she showed them the hole and said, “That’s where you came from.” Who acts: old woman, world, woman, That. A sentence of «Myths and Folk-lore of the Timiskaming Algonquin and Timagami Ojibwa» by Frank G. 
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# Myths and Folk-lore of the Timiskaming Algonquin and Timagami Ojibwa, Myths and Folk-lore of the Timagami Ojibwa., part 4, sentence 17

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There was an old woman up in this world who sat over a hole in the sky, and, whenever she moved, she showed them the hole and said, “That’s where you came from.”

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**Who acts:** old woman, world, woman, That, you · **What happens:** be up, sit, move, show, say, be · **To what, where:** world, hole, stars · **Speech:** someone speaks here

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This is a sentence of «Myths and Folk-lore of the Timiskaming Algonquin and Timagami Ojibwa» by Frank G. Speck, Myths and Folk-lore of the Timagami Ojibwa., part 4. The page gives its syntax tree — a dependency tree in the style of Universal Dependencies — and its pragmatics clause by clause: who acts (old woman, world, woman, That), what happens, when and where, as Mova's frames read it from the tree.

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**Mova's own parse.** This tree may be wrong.

## The tree {#tree}

```conllu
# sent_id = book:pg66509:14:17
# text = There was an old woman up in this world who sat over a hole in the sky, and, whenever she moved, she showed them the hole and said, “That’s where you came from.”
1	There	there	PRON	EX	PronType=Dem	2	expl	_	_
2	was	be	VERB	VBD	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Past|VerbForm=Fin	0	root	_	_
3	an	a	DET	DT	Definite=Ind|PronType=Art	5	det	_	_
4	old	old	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	5	amod	_	_
5	woman	woman	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	2	nsubj	_	_
6	up	up	ADP	RP	_	2	compound:prt	_	_
7	in	in	ADP	IN	_	9	case	_	_
8	this	this	DET	DT	Number=Sing|PronType=Dem	9	det	_	_
9	world	world	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	2	obl	_	_
10	who	who	PRON	WP	PronType=Rel	11	nsubj	_	_
11	sat	sit	VERB	VBD	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Past|VerbForm=Fin	9	acl:relcl	_	_
12	over	over	ADP	IN	_	14	case	_	_
13	a	a	DET	DT	Definite=Ind|PronType=Art	14	det	_	_
14	hole	hole	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	11	obl	_	_
15	in	in	ADP	IN	_	17	case	_	_
16	the	the	DET	DT	Definite=Def|PronType=Art	17	det	_	_
17	sky	sky	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	14	nmod	_	SpaceAfter=No
18	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	23	punct	_	_
19	and	and	CCONJ	CC	_	23	cc	_	SpaceAfter=No
20	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	23	punct	_	_
21	whenever	whenever	ADV	WRB	PronType=Rel	23	advmod	_	_
22	she	she	PRON	PRP	Case=Nom|Gender=Fem|Number=Sing|Person=3|PronType=Prs	23	nsubj	_	_
23	moved	move	VERB	VBD	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Past|VerbForm=Fin	2	parataxis	_	SpaceAfter=No
24	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	26	punct	_	_
25	she	she	PRON	PRP	Case=Nom|Gender=Fem|Number=Sing|Person=3|PronType=Prs	26	nsubj	_	_
26	showed	show	VERB	VBD	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Past|VerbForm=Fin	2	parataxis	_	_
27	them	they	PRON	PRP	Case=Acc|Number=Plur|Person=3|PronType=Prs	26	obj	_	_
28	the	the	DET	DT	Definite=Def|PronType=Art	29	det	_	_
29	hole	hole	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	26	obj	_	_
30	and	and	CCONJ	CC	_	31	cc	_	_
31	said	say	VERB	VBD	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Past|VerbForm=Fin	26	conj	_	SpaceAfter=No
32	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	38	punct	_	_
33	“	"	PUNCT	``	_	38	punct	_	SpaceAfter=No
34	That	that	PRON	DT	Number=Sing|PronType=Dem	36	nsubj	_	SpaceAfter=No
35	’s	be	AUX	VBZ	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	36	cop	_	_
36	where	where	ADV	WRB	PronType=Rel	38	advmod	_	_
37	you	you	PRON	PRP	Case=Nom|Person=2|PronType=Prs	38	nsubj	_	_
38	came	come	VERB	VBD	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=2|Tense=Past|VerbForm=Fin	31	ccomp	_	_
39	from	from	ADP	IN	_	38	obl	_	SpaceAfter=No
40	.	.	PUNCT	.	_	2	punct	_	SpaceAfter=No
41	”	"	PUNCT	''	_	2	punct	_	_
```

## Pragmatics {#pragmatics}

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **be up** | past | a old woman |  |  | this world; there |  |  | vn exist-47.1 «NP V PP.location»: agent=Theme in world=Location |
| 2 | **sit** | past | this world |  |  | a hole in the sky |  |  | vn assuming\_position-50 «NP V PP.location»: agent=Agent over hole=Location |
| 3 | **move** | past | woman |  |  |  |  | whenever *property* | vn roll-51.3.1 «NP.theme V»: agent=Theme |
| 4 | **show** | past | woman | stars *= star* |  |  |  | the hole *obj* | vn transfer\_mesg-37.1.1-1-1 «NP V NP-Dative NP»: agent=Agent they=Recipient hole=Topic |
| 5 | **say** *speech: assert* | past | woman *not said here* |  |  |  |  |  | vn say-37.7-1-1 «NP V that S»: agent=Agent clause=Topic |
| 6 | **is** *in a quote* | present | That |  |  |  |  | where *property* | tree rules |
| 7 | **come** *in a quote* | past | you |  |  |  |  |  | vn escape-51.1-1 «NP V»: agent=Theme |

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One row per clause the reader finds. «not said here»: a role filled from the clause above. «roles by»: a VerbNet class and frame when one fits the verb, else the reader's rules on the tree.

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**Text:** «Myths and Folk-lore of the Timiskaming Algonquin and Timagami Ojibwa» by Frank G. Speck, Project Gutenberg book 66509 (public domain in the USA). **Tree:** Mova's own parse, Elamur Cosmic License. **Frames:** Mova's frames reader (`prag`), the chapter read in order.

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