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title: The people lamented, saying, “We shouldn’t have told the ‘Hell-diver… — Myths and Folk-lore of the Timiskaming Algonquin… · tree and pragmatics
description: The people lamented, saying, “We shouldn’t have told the ‘Hell-diver,’ for he has killed himself from grief.” Who acts: people, We. A sentence of «Myths and Folk-lore of the Timiskaming Algonquin and Timagami Ojibwa» by Frank G. Speck, Appendix: Notes on Timagami Folk-lore., with its dependency tree
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# Myths and Folk-lore of the Timiskaming Algonquin and Timagami Ojibwa, Appendix: Notes on Timagami Folk-lore., sentence 50

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The people lamented, saying, “We shouldn’t have told the ‘Hell-diver,’ for he has killed himself from grief.”

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**Who acts:** people, We · **What happens:** lament, say, not tell, kill · **To what, where:** Hell diver, Diver, grief · **Speech:** someone speaks here

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This is a sentence of «Myths and Folk-lore of the Timiskaming Algonquin and Timagami Ojibwa» by Frank G. Speck, Appendix: Notes on Timagami Folk-lore.. The page gives its syntax tree — a dependency tree in the style of Universal Dependencies — and its pragmatics clause by clause: who acts (people, We), what happens, when and where, as Mova's frames read it from the tree.

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**Mova's own parse.** This tree may be wrong.

## The tree {#tree}

```conllu
# sent_id = book:pg66509:20:50
# text = The people lamented, saying, “We shouldn’t have told the ‘Hell-diver,’ for he has killed himself from grief.”
1	The	the	DET	DT	Definite=Def|PronType=Art	2	det	_	_
2	people	people	NOUN	NNS	Number=Plur	3	nsubj	_	_
3	lamented	lament	VERB	VBD	Mood=Ind|Number=Plur|Person=3|Tense=Past|VerbForm=Fin	0	root	_	SpaceAfter=No
4	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	5	punct	_	_
5	saying	say	VERB	VBG	Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Part	3	advcl	_	SpaceAfter=No
6	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	12	punct	_	_
7	“	"	PUNCT	``	_	12	punct	_	SpaceAfter=No
8	We	we	PRON	PRP	Case=Nom|Number=Plur|Person=1|PronType=Prs	12	nsubj	_	_
9	should	should	AUX	MD	VerbForm=Fin	12	aux	_	SpaceAfter=No
10	n’t	not	PART	RB	Polarity=Neg	12	advmod	_	_
11	have	have	AUX	VB	VerbForm=Inf	12	aux	_	_
12	told	tell	VERB	VBN	Tense=Past|VerbForm=Part	5	ccomp	_	_
13	the	the	DET	DT	Definite=Def|PronType=Art	17	det	_	_
14	‘	'	PUNCT	``	_	17	punct	_	SpaceAfter=No
15	Hell	hell	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	17	compound	_	SpaceAfter=No
16	-	-	PUNCT	HYPH	_	15	punct	_	SpaceAfter=No
17	diver	diver	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	12	iobj	_	SpaceAfter=No
18	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	12	punct	_	SpaceAfter=No
19	’	'	PUNCT	''	_	12	punct	_	_
20	for	for	SCONJ	IN	_	23	mark	_	_
21	he	he	PRON	PRP	Case=Nom|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing|Person=3|PronType=Prs	23	nsubj:pass	_	_
22	has	have	AUX	VBZ	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	23	aux	_	_
23	killed	kill	VERB	VBN	Tense=Past|VerbForm=Part|Voice=Pass	12	ccomp	_	_
24	himself	himself	PRON	PRP	Case=Acc|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing|Person=3|PronType=Prs|Reflex=Yes	23	obj	_	_
25	from	from	ADP	IN	_	26	case	_	_
26	grief	grief	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	23	obl	_	SpaceAfter=No
27	.	.	PUNCT	.	_	3	punct	_	SpaceAfter=No
28	”	"	PUNCT	''	_	3	punct	_	_
```

## Pragmatics {#pragmatics}

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **lament** | past | the people |  |  |  |  |  | vn admire-31.2 «NP V that S»: agent=Experiencer |
| 2 | **say** *speech: assert* | gerund | the people *not said here* |  |  |  |  |  | vn say-37.7-1-1 «NP V that S»: agent=Agent clause=Topic |
| 3 | **not** **tell** *speech: assert* *in a quote* | should · perfect | We |  | the Hell diver |  |  |  | vn transfer\_mesg-37.1.1-1-1 «NP V NP S\_INF»: agent=Agent diver=Recipient clause=Topic |
| 4 | **kill** *in a quote* | present · perfect · passive |  | Diver |  | grief |  |  | vn amuse-31.1 «NP V NP ADJ»: subject=Experiencer himself=Result |

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One row per clause the reader finds. «not said here»: a role filled from the clause above. «roles by»: a VerbNet class and frame when one fits the verb, else the reader's rules on the tree.

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**Text:** «Myths and Folk-lore of the Timiskaming Algonquin and Timagami Ojibwa» by Frank G. Speck, Project Gutenberg book 66509 (public domain in the USA). **Tree:** Mova's own parse, Elamur Cosmic License. **Frames:** Mova's frames reader (`prag`), the chapter read in order.

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