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title: But if nobody has ever seen that land, and no one knows anything abo… — The descent of the sun: A cycle of birth · tree and pragmatics
description: But if nobody has ever seen that land, and no one knows anything about it, then, if one should come and say: Lo: I have seen it: who could discern whether he was speaking the truth or telling a lie? Who acts: nobody, one, I, Land. A sentence of «The descent of the sun: A cycle of birth» by Unknown, 
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# The descent of the sun: A cycle of birth, A Sleep and a Dream., part 2, sentence 40

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But if nobody has ever seen that land, and no one knows anything about it, then, if one should come and say: Lo: I have seen it: who could discern whether he was speaking the truth or telling a lie?

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**Who acts:** nobody, one, I, Land · **What happens:** see, know, come, say, discern, speak · **To what, where:** land, anything, sword, truth, lie · **Speech:** someone speaks here

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This is a sentence of «The descent of the sun: A cycle of birth» by Unknown, A Sleep and a Dream., part 2. The page gives its syntax tree — a dependency tree in the style of Universal Dependencies — and its pragmatics clause by clause: who acts (nobody, one, I, Land), what happens, when and where, as Mova's frames read it from the tree.

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**Mova's own parse.** This tree may be wrong.

## The tree {#tree}

```conllu
# sent_id = book:pg68641:4:40
# text = But if nobody has ever seen that land, and no one knows anything about it, then, if one should come and say: Lo: I have seen it: who could discern whether he was speaking the truth or telling a lie?
1	But	but	CCONJ	CC	_	6	cc	_	_
2	if	if	SCONJ	IN	_	6	mark	_	_
3	nobody	nobody	PRON	NN	Number=Sing|PronType=Neg	6	nsubj	_	_
4	has	have	AUX	VBZ	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	6	aux	_	_
5	ever	ever	ADV	RB	PronType=Ind	6	advmod	_	_
6	seen	see	VERB	VBN	Tense=Past|VerbForm=Part	0	root	_	_
7	that	that	DET	DT	Number=Sing|PronType=Dem	8	det	_	_
8	land	land	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	6	obj	_	SpaceAfter=No
9	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	13	punct	_	_
10	and	and	CCONJ	CC	_	13	cc	_	_
11	no	no	DET	DT	PronType=Neg	12	det	_	_
12	one	one	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	13	nsubj	_	_
13	knows	know	VERB	VBZ	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	6	advcl	_	_
14	anything	anything	PRON	NN	Number=Sing|PronType=Ind	13	obj	_	_
15	about	about	ADP	IN	_	16	case	_	_
16	it	it	PRON	PRP	Case=Acc|Gender=Neut|Number=Sing|Person=3|PronType=Prs	14	nmod	_	SpaceAfter=No
17	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	18	punct	_	_
18	then	then	ADV	RB	PronType=Dem	13	parataxis	_	SpaceAfter=No
19	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	23	punct	_	_
20	if	if	SCONJ	IN	_	23	mark	_	_
21	one	one	PRON	PRP	Number=Sing|Person=3|PronType=Prs	23	nsubj	_	_
22	should	should	AUX	MD	VerbForm=Fin	23	aux	_	_
23	come	come	VERB	VB	VerbForm=Inf	6	parataxis	_	_
24	and	and	CCONJ	CC	_	25	cc	_	_
25	say	say	VERB	VB	VerbForm=Inf	23	conj	_	SpaceAfter=No
26	:	:	PUNCT	:	_	31	punct	_	_
27	Lo	lo	INTJ	UH	_	31	discourse	_	SpaceAfter=No
28	:	:	PUNCT	:	_	31	punct	_	_
29	I	I	PRON	PRP	Case=Nom|Number=Sing|Person=1|PronType=Prs	31	nsubj	_	_
30	have	have	AUX	VBP	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=1|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	31	aux	_	_
31	seen	see	VERB	VBN	Tense=Past|VerbForm=Part	25	ccomp	_	_
32	it	it	PRON	PRP	Case=Acc|Gender=Neut|Number=Sing|Person=3|PronType=Prs	31	obj	_	SpaceAfter=No
33	:	:	PUNCT	:	_	36	punct	_	_
34	who	who	PRON	WP	PronType=Rel	36	nsubj	_	_
35	could	could	AUX	MD	VerbForm=Fin	36	aux	_	_
36	discern	discern	VERB	VB	VerbForm=Inf	31	conj	_	_
37	whether	whether	SCONJ	IN	_	40	mark	_	_
38	he	he	PRON	PRP	Case=Nom|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing|Person=3|PronType=Prs	40	nsubj	_	_
39	was	be	AUX	VBD	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Past|VerbForm=Fin	40	aux	_	_
40	speaking	speak	VERB	VBG	Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Part	36	advcl	_	_
41	the	the	DET	DT	Definite=Def|PronType=Art	42	det	_	_
42	truth	truth	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	40	obj	_	_
43	or	or	CCONJ	CC	_	44	cc	_	_
44	telling	tell	VERB	VBG	Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Part	40	conj	_	_
45	a	a	DET	DT	Definite=Ind|PronType=Art	46	det	_	_
46	lie	lie	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	44	obj	_	SpaceAfter=No
47	?	?	PUNCT	.	_	6	punct	_	_
```

## Pragmatics {#pragmatics}

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **see** | present · perfect | nobody | that land |  |  | ever |  | vn comprehend-87.2-1-1 «NP V NP»: agent=Experiencer land=Stimulus |
| 2 | **know** | present | no one | anything |  |  |  | about sword | vn comprehend-87.2-1-1-1 «NP V NP PP.attribute»: agent=Experiencer anything=Stimulus |
| 3 | **come** *a condition, not said to happen* | should | one |  |  |  |  |  | vn escape-51.1-1 «NP V»: agent=Theme |
| 4 | **say** *speech: assert* | infinitive | one *not said here* |  |  |  |  |  | vn say-37.7-1-1 «NP V that S»: agent=Agent clause=Topic |
| 5 | **see** | present · perfect | I | sword |  |  |  |  | vn comprehend-87.2-1-1 «NP V NP»: agent=Experiencer it=Stimulus |
| 6 | **discern** | could |  |  |  |  |  | who *nsubj* | vn see-30.1-1 «NP V S\_ING»: agent=Experiencer |
| 7 | **speak** *speech: other* | past · progressive | Land | the truth |  |  |  |  | tree rules |
| 8 | **tell** *speech: assert* | gerund | Land *not said here* | a lie |  |  |  |  | vn transfer\_mesg-37.1.1-1-1 «NP V NP.recipient»: agent=Agent lie=Recipient |

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One row per clause the reader finds. «not said here»: a role filled from the clause above. «roles by»: a VerbNet class and frame when one fits the verb, else the reader's rules on the tree.

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**Text:** «The descent of the sun: A cycle of birth» by Unknown, Project Gutenberg book 68641 (public domain in the USA). **Tree:** Mova's own parse, Elamur Cosmic License. **Frames:** Mova's frames reader (`prag`), the chapter read in order.

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