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title: Now at the mouth of the forest men who saw him tried to dissuade him… — The grateful elephant · tree and pragmatics
description: Now at the mouth of the forest men who saw him tried to dissuade him from entering, saying: “Sir prince, do not enter this forest; an ogre named Sticky-hair lives here; he kills every man he sees.” Who acts: forest men, Sir prince, ogre, prince. A sentence of «The grateful elephant» by Eugene Watson
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# The grateful elephant, Opening, part 8, sentence 4

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Now at the mouth of the forest men who saw him tried to dissuade him from entering, saying: “Sir prince, do not enter this forest; an ogre named Sticky-hair lives here; he kills every man he sees.”

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**Who acts:** forest men, Sir prince, ogre, prince · **What happens:** see, try, dissuade, enter, say, not enter · **To what, where:** prince, mouth, Sir prince, forest, Sticky hair, man · **Speech:** someone speaks here

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This is a sentence of «The grateful elephant» by Eugene Watson Burlingame, Opening, part 8. The page gives its syntax tree — a dependency tree in the style of Universal Dependencies — and its pragmatics clause by clause: who acts (forest men, Sir prince, ogre, prince), what happens, when and where, as Mova's frames read it from the tree.

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**Mova's own parse.** This tree may be wrong.

## The tree {#tree}

```conllu
# sent_id = book:pg74064:8:4
# text = Now at the mouth of the forest men who saw him tried to dissuade him from entering, saying: “Sir prince, do not enter this forest; an ogre named Sticky-hair lives here; he kills every man he sees.”
1	Now	now	ADV	RB	PronType=Dem	12	advmod	_	_
2	at	at	ADP	IN	_	4	case	_	_
3	the	the	DET	DT	Definite=Def|PronType=Art	4	det	_	_
4	mouth	mouth	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	12	obl	_	_
5	of	of	ADP	IN	_	8	case	_	_
6	the	the	DET	DT	Definite=Def|PronType=Art	8	det	_	_
7	forest	forest	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	8	compound	_	_
8	men	man	NOUN	NNS	Number=Plur	4	nmod	_	_
9	who	who	PRON	WP	PronType=Rel	10	nsubj	_	_
10	saw	see	VERB	VBD	Mood=Ind|Number=Plur|Person=3|Tense=Past|VerbForm=Fin	8	acl:relcl	_	_
11	him	he	PRON	PRP	Case=Acc|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing|Person=3|PronType=Prs	10	obj	_	_
12	tried	try	VERB	VBD	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=1|Tense=Past|VerbForm=Fin	0	root	_	_
13	to	to	PART	TO	_	14	mark	_	_
14	dissuade	dissuade	VERB	VB	VerbForm=Inf	12	xcomp	_	_
15	him	he	PRON	PRP	Case=Acc|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing|Person=3|PronType=Prs	14	obj	_	_
16	from	from	SCONJ	IN	_	17	mark	_	_
17	entering	enter	VERB	VBG	Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Part	14	advcl	_	SpaceAfter=No
18	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	19	punct	_	_
19	saying	say	VERB	VBG	Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Part	14	advcl	_	SpaceAfter=No
20	:	:	PUNCT	:	_	23	punct	_	_
21	“	"	PUNCT	``	_	23	punct	_	SpaceAfter=No
22	Sir	Sir	PROPN	NNP	Number=Sing	23	compound	_	_
23	prince	prince	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	19	obj	_	SpaceAfter=No
24	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	27	punct	_	_
25	do	do	AUX	VB	Mood=Imp|VerbForm=Fin	27	aux	_	_
26	not	not	PART	RB	Polarity=Neg	27	advmod	_	_
27	enter	enter	VERB	VB	VerbForm=Inf	23	acl:relcl	_	_
28	this	this	DET	DT	Number=Sing|PronType=Dem	29	det	_	_
29	forest	forest	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	27	obj	_	SpaceAfter=No
30	;	;	PUNCT	:	_	37	punct	_	_
31	an	a	DET	DT	Definite=Ind|PronType=Art	32	det	_	_
32	ogre	ogre	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	37	nsubj	_	_
33	named	name	VERB	VBN	Tense=Past|VerbForm=Part|Voice=Pass	32	acl	_	_
34	Sticky	sticky	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	36	amod	_	SpaceAfter=No
35	-	-	PUNCT	HYPH	_	34	punct	_	SpaceAfter=No
36	hair	hair	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	33	obj	_	_
37	lives	live	VERB	VBZ	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	12	parataxis	_	_
38	here	here	ADV	RB	PronType=Dem	37	advmod	_	SpaceAfter=No
39	;	;	PUNCT	:	_	41	punct	_	_
40	he	he	PRON	PRP	Case=Nom|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing|Person=3|PronType=Prs	41	nsubj	_	_
41	kills	kill	VERB	VBZ	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	12	parataxis	_	_
42	every	every	DET	DT	PronType=Tot	43	det	_	_
43	man	man	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	41	obj	_	_
44	he	he	PRON	PRP	Case=Nom|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing|Person=3|PronType=Prs	45	nsubj	_	_
45	sees	see	VERB	VBZ	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	43	acl:relcl	_	SpaceAfter=No
46	.	.	PUNCT	.	_	41	punct	_	SpaceAfter=No
47	”	"	PUNCT	''	_	41	punct	_	_
```

## Pragmatics {#pragmatics}

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **see** | past | the forest men | prince |  |  |  |  | vn comprehend-87.2-1-1 «NP V NP»: agent=Experiencer he=Stimulus |
| 2 | **try** | past |  |  |  | the mouth of the forest men | now |  | vn try-61.1 «NP V S\_INF»: agent=Agent clause=Eventuality |
| 3 | **dissuade** *not said to happen* | to-infinitive |  |  | prince |  |  |  | vn discourage-64.5 «NP V NP PP.eventuality»: agent=Causer he=Beneficiary |
| 4 | **enter** | gerund |  |  |  |  |  |  | vn escape-51.1-1-2 «NP V»: agent=Theme |
| 5 | **say** *speech: assert* | gerund |  | Sir prince |  |  |  |  | vn say-37.7-1-1 «NP V NP.topic»: agent=Agent prince=Topic |
| 6 | **not** **enter** *in a quote* | infinitive · do-support | Sir prince *not said here* | this forest |  |  |  |  | vn escape-51.1-1-2 «NP V NP»: agent=Theme forest=Destination |
| 7 | **name** *in a quote* | participle | a ogre *not said here* | Sticky hair |  |  |  |  | vn appoint-29.1 «NP V NP»: agent=Agent hair=Theme |
| 8 | **live** *in a quote* | present | a ogre |  |  | here |  |  | vn exist-47.1-1 «NP V»: agent=Theme |
| 9 | **kill** *in a quote* | present | prince | every man |  |  |  |  | vn remove-10.1 «NP V NP»: agent=Agent man=Theme |
| 10 | **see** *in a quote* | present | prince | every man *not said here* |  |  |  |  | vn comprehend-87.2-1-1 «NP V NP»: agent=Experiencer man=Stimulus |

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One row per clause the reader finds. «not said here»: a role filled from the clause above. «roles by»: a VerbNet class and frame when one fits the verb, else the reader's rules on the tree.

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**Text:** «The grateful elephant» by Eugene Watson Burlingame, Project Gutenberg book 74064 (public domain in the USA). **Tree:** Mova's own parse, Elamur Cosmic License. **Frames:** Mova's frames reader (`prag`), the chapter read in order.

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