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title: For whether we prevail or they, there were a grievous loss of brave… — Stories of Charlemagne and the twelve Peers of F… · tree and pragmatics
description: For whether we prevail or they, there were a grievous loss of brave men, such as shall never be recovered." " Who acts: we, grievous loss. A sentence of «Stories of Charlemagne and the twelve Peers of France» by Alfred John Church, How Peace Was Made, with its dependency tree and the pragmatics of e
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# Stories of Charlemagne and the twelve Peers of France, How Peace Was Made, sentence 28

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For whether we prevail or they, there were a grievous loss of brave men, such as shall never be recovered." "

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**Who acts:** we, grievous loss · **What happens:** prevail, be, not recover · **To what, where:** brave men

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This is a sentence of «Stories of Charlemagne and the twelve Peers of France» by Alfred John Church, How Peace Was Made. The page gives its syntax tree — a dependency tree in the style of Universal Dependencies — and its pragmatics clause by clause: who acts (we, grievous loss), what happens, when and where, as Mova's frames read it from the tree.

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**Mova's own parse.** This tree may be wrong.

## The tree {#tree}

```conllu
# sent_id = book:pg75339:12:28
# text = For whether we prevail or they, there were a grievous loss of brave men, such as shall never be recovered." "
1	For	for	SCONJ	IN	_	4	mark	_	_
2	whether	whether	SCONJ	IN	_	4	mark	_	_
3	we	we	PRON	PRP	Case=Nom|Number=Plur|Person=1|PronType=Prs	4	nsubj	_	_
4	prevail	prevail	VERB	VBP	Mood=Ind|Number=Plur|Person=1|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	9	advcl	_	_
5	or	or	CCONJ	CC	_	6	cc	_	_
6	they	they	PRON	PRP	Case=Nom|Number=Plur|Person=3|PronType=Prs	4	conj	_	SpaceAfter=No
7	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	4	punct	_	_
8	there	there	PRON	EX	PronType=Dem	9	expl	_	_
9	were	be	VERB	VBD	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Past|VerbForm=Fin	0	root	_	_
10	a	a	DET	DT	Definite=Ind|PronType=Art	12	det	_	_
11	grievous	grievous	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	12	amod	_	_
12	loss	loss	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	9	nsubj	_	_
13	of	of	ADP	IN	_	15	case	_	_
14	brave	brave	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	15	amod	_	_
15	men	man	NOUN	NNS	Number=Plur	12	nmod	_	SpaceAfter=No
16	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	22	punct	_	_
17	such	such	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos|ExtPos=SCONJ	22	mark	_	_
18	as	as	ADP	IN	_	17	fixed	_	_
19	shall	shall	AUX	MD	VerbForm=Fin	22	aux	_	_
20	never	never	ADV	RB	PronType=Neg	22	advmod	_	_
21	be	be	AUX	VB	VerbForm=Inf	22	aux:pass	_	_
22	recovered	recover	VERB	VBN	Tense=Past|VerbForm=Part|Voice=Pass	15	acl:relcl	_	SpaceAfter=No
23	.	.	PUNCT	.	_	22	punct	_	SpaceAfter=No
24	"	"	PUNCT	''	_	22	punct	_	_
25	"	"	PUNCT	''	_	22	punct	_	SpaceAfter=No
```

## Pragmatics {#pragmatics}

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **prevail** | present | we |  |  |  |  | hands *= hand* *conj* | vn exist-47.1 «NP V»: agent=Theme |
| 2 | **be** | past | a grievous loss of brave men |  |  | there |  |  | vn exist-47.1 «NP V»: agent=Theme |
| 3 | **not** **recover** | shall · passive |  | brave men *not said here* |  |  |  |  | vn obtain-13.5.2 «NP V NP» |

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One row per clause the reader finds. «not said here»: a role filled from the clause above. «roles by»: a VerbNet class and frame when one fits the verb, else the reader's rules on the tree.

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**Text:** «Stories of Charlemagne and the twelve Peers of France» by Alfred John Church, Project Gutenberg book 75339 (public domain in the USA). **Tree:** Mova's own parse, Elamur Cosmic License. **Frames:** Mova's frames reader (`prag`), the chapter read in order.

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