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# Stories of Charlemagne and the twelve Peers of France, How Huon, Having Slain a Giant, Came to Babylon, sentence 108

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When the old councillor heard these things, he said to the Admiral, "Sir, we ought to thank this man rather than harm him, seeing that he has slain the giant that was wont to do us so much mischief."

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**Who acts:** old councillor, councillor, giant · **What happens:** hear, say, thank, harm, see, slay · **To what, where:** things, Admiral, man, councillor, giant, much mischief · **Speech:** someone speaks here

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This is a sentence of «Stories of Charlemagne and the twelve Peers of France» by Alfred John Church, How Huon, Having Slain a Giant, Came to Babylon. The page gives its syntax tree — a dependency tree in the style of Universal Dependencies — and its pragmatics clause by clause: who acts (old councillor, councillor, giant), what happens, when and where, as Mova's frames read it from the tree.

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**Mova's own parse.** This tree may be wrong.

## The tree {#tree}

```conllu
# sent_id = book:pg75339:41:108
# text = When the old councillor heard these things, he said to the Admiral, "Sir, we ought to thank this man rather than harm him, seeing that he has slain the giant that was wont to do us so much mischief."
1	When	when	ADV	WRB	PronType=Int	5	advmod	_	_
2	the	the	DET	DT	Definite=Def|PronType=Art	4	det	_	_
3	old	old	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	4	amod	_	_
4	councillor	councillor	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	5	nsubj	_	_
5	heard	hear	VERB	VBD	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Past|VerbForm=Fin	10	advcl	_	_
6	these	this	DET	DT	Number=Plur|PronType=Dem	7	det	_	_
7	things	thing	NOUN	NNS	Number=Plur	5	obj	_	SpaceAfter=No
8	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	5	punct	_	_
9	he	he	PRON	PRP	Case=Nom|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing|Person=3|PronType=Prs	10	nsubj	_	_
10	said	say	VERB	VBD	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Past|VerbForm=Fin	0	root	_	_
11	to	to	ADP	IN	_	13	case	_	_
12	the	the	DET	DT	Definite=Def|PronType=Art	13	det	_	_
13	Admiral	admiral	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	10	obl	_	SpaceAfter=No
14	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	16	punct	_	_
15	"	"	PUNCT	``	_	16	punct	_	SpaceAfter=No
16	Sir	Sir	PROPN	NNP	Number=Sing	21	vocative	_	SpaceAfter=No
17	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	19	punct	_	_
18	we	we	PRON	PRP	Case=Nom|Number=Plur|Person=1|PronType=Prs	19	nsubj	_	_
19	ought	ought	AUX	MD	VerbForm=Fin	21	aux	_	_
20	to	to	PART	TO	_	21	mark	_	_
21	thank	thank	VERB	VB	VerbForm=Inf	10	ccomp	_	_
22	this	this	DET	DT	Number=Sing|PronType=Dem	23	det	_	_
23	man	man	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	21	obj	_	_
24	rather	rather	ADV	RB	ExtPos=CCONJ	26	cc	_	_
25	than	than	ADP	IN	_	24	fixed	_	_
26	harm	harm	VERB	VB	VerbForm=Inf	23	conj	_	_
27	him	he	PRON	PRP	Case=Acc|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing|Person=3|PronType=Prs	26	obj	_	SpaceAfter=No
28	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	29	punct	_	_
29	seeing	see	VERB	VBG	Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Part	21	advcl	_	_
30	that	that	SCONJ	IN	_	33	mark	_	_
31	he	he	PRON	PRP	Case=Nom|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing|Person=3|PronType=Prs	33	nsubj	_	_
32	has	have	AUX	VBZ	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	33	aux	_	_
33	slain	slay	VERB	VBN	Tense=Past|VerbForm=Part	29	ccomp	_	_
34	the	the	DET	DT	Definite=Def|PronType=Art	35	det	_	_
35	giant	giant	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	33	obj	_	_
36	that	that	PRON	WDT	PronType=Rel	38	nsubj	_	_
37	was	be	AUX	VBD	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Past|VerbForm=Fin	38	cop	_	_
38	wont	wont	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	35	acl:relcl	_	_
39	to	to	PART	TO	_	40	mark	_	_
40	do	do	VERB	VB	VerbForm=Inf	38	xcomp	_	_
41	us	we	PRON	PRP	Case=Acc|Number=Plur|Person=1|PronType=Prs	40	iobj	_	_
42	so	so	ADV	RB	_	43	advmod	_	_
43	much	much	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	44	amod	_	_
44	mischief	mischief	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	40	obj	_	SpaceAfter=No
45	.	.	PUNCT	.	_	21	punct	_	SpaceAfter=No
46	"	"	PUNCT	''	_	21	punct	_	_
```

## Pragmatics {#pragmatics}

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **hear** | past | the old councillor | this things |  |  |  |  | vn see-30.1-1-1 «NP V S»: agent=Experiencer thing=Stimulus |
| 2 | **say** *speech: assert* | past | councillor |  | the Admiral |  |  |  | vn say-37.7-1-1 «NP V PP.recipient S-Quote»: agent=Agent to admiral=Recipient clause=Topic |
| 3 | **thank** *speech: thank* *in a quote* | ought |  |  | this man |  |  | Sir *vocative* | vn judgment-33.1-1 «NP V NP»: agent=Agent man=Theme |
| 4 | **harm** *in a quote* | infinitive |  | councillor |  |  |  |  | vn amuse-31.1 «NP V NP»: agent=Stimulus he=Experiencer |
| 5 | **see** *in a quote* | gerund |  |  |  |  |  |  | vn comprehend-87.2-1-1 «NP V S\_ING»: agent=Experiencer clause=Stimulus |
| 6 | **slay** *in a quote* | present · perfect | councillor | the giant |  |  |  |  | vn murder-42.1 «NP V NP»: agent=Agent giant=Patient |
| 7 | **is** *in a quote* | past | the giant |  |  |  |  | wont *property* | tree rules |
| 8 | **do** *in a quote* | to-infinitive | the giant *not said here* | much mischief | us |  |  |  | tree rules |

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One row per clause the reader finds. «not said here»: a role filled from the clause above. «roles by»: a VerbNet class and frame when one fits the verb, else the reader's rules on the tree.

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**Text:** «Stories of Charlemagne and the twelve Peers of France» by Alfred John Church, Project Gutenberg book 75339 (public domain in the USA). **Tree:** Mova's own parse, Elamur Cosmic License. **Frames:** Mova's frames reader (`prag`), the chapter read in order.

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