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title: They both went out till they came to the place where they saw, as if… — Ojibwa myths and tales · tree and pragmatics
description: They both went out till they came to the place where they saw, as if somebody had been underbrushing, so fierce was the battle that all the underbrush and small trees were knocked or trampled down. Who acts: people, somebody, underbrushing. A sentence of «Ojibwa myths and tales» by Geo. E. Laidlaw, 
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# Ojibwa myths and tales, Wintigoes (giants)., sentence 12

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They both went out till they came to the place where they saw, as if somebody had been underbrushing, so fierce was the battle that all the underbrush and small trees were knocked or trampled down.

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**Who acts:** people, somebody, underbrushing · **What happens:** go out, come, see, underbrush, be, knock · **To what, where:** place, battle, underbrush

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This is a sentence of «Ojibwa myths and tales» by Geo. E. Laidlaw, Wintigoes (giants).. The page gives its syntax tree — a dependency tree in the style of Universal Dependencies — and its pragmatics clause by clause: who acts (people, somebody, underbrushing), what happens, when and where, as Mova's frames read it from the tree.

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**Mova's own parse.** This tree may be wrong.

## The tree {#tree}

```conllu
# sent_id = book:pg76755:15:12
# text = They both went out till they came to the place where they saw, as if somebody had been underbrushing, so fierce was the battle that all the underbrush and small trees were knocked or trampled down.
1	They	they	PRON	PRP	Case=Nom|Number=Plur|Person=3|PronType=Prs	3	nsubj	_	_
2	both	both	DET	DT	PronType=Tot	3	advmod	_	_
3	went	go	VERB	VBD	Mood=Ind|Number=Plur|Person=3|Tense=Past|VerbForm=Fin	0	root	_	_
4	out	out	ADP	RP	_	3	compound:prt	_	_
5	till	till	SCONJ	IN	_	7	mark	_	_
6	they	they	PRON	PRP	Case=Nom|Number=Plur|Person=3|PronType=Prs	7	nsubj	_	_
7	came	come	VERB	VBD	Mood=Ind|Number=Plur|Person=3|Tense=Past|VerbForm=Fin	3	advcl	_	_
8	to	to	ADP	IN	_	10	case	_	_
9	the	the	DET	DT	Definite=Def|PronType=Art	10	det	_	_
10	place	place	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	7	obl	_	_
11	where	where	ADV	WRB	PronType=Rel	13	advmod	_	_
12	they	they	PRON	PRP	Case=Nom|Number=Plur|Person=3|PronType=Prs	13	nsubj	_	_
13	saw	see	VERB	VBD	Mood=Ind|Number=Plur|Person=3|Tense=Past|VerbForm=Fin	10	acl:relcl	_	SpaceAfter=No
14	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	20	punct	_	_
15	as	as	SCONJ	IN	_	20	mark	_	_
16	if	if	SCONJ	IN	_	20	mark	_	_
17	somebody	somebody	PRON	NN	Number=Sing|PronType=Ind	20	nsubj	_	_
18	had	have	AUX	VBD	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Past|VerbForm=Fin	20	aux	_	_
19	been	be	AUX	VBN	Tense=Past|VerbForm=Part	20	aux	_	_
20	underbrushing	underbrush	VERB	VBG	Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Part	26	csubj	_	SpaceAfter=No
21	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	23	punct	_	_
22	so	so	ADV	RB	_	23	advmod	_	_
23	fierce	fierce	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	20	conj	_	_
24	was	be	AUX	VBD	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Past|VerbForm=Fin	26	cop	_	_
25	the	the	DET	DT	Definite=Def|PronType=Art	26	det	_	_
26	battle	battle	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	7	parataxis	_	_
27	that	that	PRON	WDT	PronType=Rel	35	obj	_	_
28	all	all	DET	PDT	PronType=Tot	30	det:predet	_	_
29	the	the	DET	DT	Definite=Def|PronType=Art	30	det	_	_
30	underbrush	underbrush	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	35	nsubj:pass	_	_
31	and	and	CCONJ	CC	_	33	cc	_	_
32	small	small	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	33	amod	_	_
33	trees	tree	NOUN	NNS	Number=Plur	30	conj	_	_
34	were	be	AUX	VBD	Mood=Ind|Number=Plur|Person=3|Tense=Past|VerbForm=Fin	35	aux:pass	_	_
35	knocked	knock	VERB	VBN	Tense=Past|VerbForm=Part|Voice=Pass	26	acl:relcl	_	_
36	or	or	CCONJ	CC	_	37	cc	_	_
37	trampled	trample	VERB	VBN	Tense=Past|VerbForm=Part|Voice=Pass	35	conj	_	_
38	down	down	ADP	RP	_	37	compound:prt	_	SpaceAfter=No
39	.	.	PUNCT	.	_	3	punct	_	_
```

## Pragmatics {#pragmatics}

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **go out** | past | people |  |  |  |  |  | vn interact-36.6 «NP V»: agent=Agent |
| 2 | **come** | past | people |  |  | the place |  |  | vn escape-51.1-1 «NP V PP.initial\_location»: agent=Theme to place=Initial\_Location |
| 3 | **see** | past | people |  |  |  |  |  | vn comprehend-87.2-1-1 «NP V»: agent=Experiencer |
| 4 | **underbrush** *a condition, not said to happen* | past · perfect · progressive | somebody |  |  |  |  |  | tree rules |
| 5 | **is a** | past | underbrushing | the battle |  |  |  |  | tree rules |
| 6 | **knock** | past · passive |  | all underbrush and small trees |  |  |  | the battle *obj* | vn throw-17.1-1 «NP V NP-Dative NP»: subject=Destination that=Theme |
| 7 | **trample down** | participle |  |  |  |  |  |  | tree rules |

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One row per clause the reader finds. «not said here»: a role filled from the clause above. «roles by»: a VerbNet class and frame when one fits the verb, else the reader's rules on the tree.

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**Text:** «Ojibwa myths and tales» by Geo. E. Laidlaw, Project Gutenberg book 76755 (public domain in the USA). **Tree:** Mova's own parse, Elamur Cosmic License. **Frames:** Mova's frames reader (`prag`), the chapter read in order.

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