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title: When this is the case with regard to the great heroes of the Iliad,… — Early Bardic Literature, Ireland. · tree and pragmatics
description: When this is the case with regard to the great heroes of the Iliad, I fancy it will be some time before the same problem will have been solved for the minor characters, and as it affects Thersites, or that eminent artist who dwelt at home in Hyla, being by far the most excellent of leather cutters. 
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# Early Bardic Literature, Ireland., Early Bardic Literature, Ireland., part 2, sentence 16

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When this is the case with regard to the great heroes of the Iliad, I fancy it will be some time before the same problem will have been solved for the minor characters, and as it affects Thersites, or that eminent artist who dwelt at home in Hyla, being by far the most excellent of leather cutters.

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**Who acts:** this, I, reality, eminent artist · **What happens:** be, fancy, solve, affect, dwell · **To what, where:** case, time, same problem, Thersites, home

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This is a sentence of «Early Bardic Literature, Ireland.» by Standish O'Grady, Early Bardic Literature, Ireland., part 2. The page gives its syntax tree — a dependency tree in the style of Universal Dependencies — and its pragmatics clause by clause: who acts (this, I, reality, eminent artist), what happens, when and where, as Mova's frames read it from the tree.

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**Mova's own parse.** This tree may be wrong.

## The tree {#tree}

```conllu
# sent_id = book:pg8109:2:16
# text = When this is the case with regard to the great heroes of the Iliad, I fancy it will be some time before the same problem will have been solved for the minor characters, and as it affects Thersites, or that eminent artist who dwelt at home in Hyla, being by far the most excellent of leather cutters.
1	When	when	ADV	WRB	PronType=Int	5	advmod	_	_
2	this	this	PRON	DT	Number=Sing|PronType=Dem	5	nsubj	_	_
3	is	be	AUX	VBZ	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	5	cop	_	_
4	the	the	DET	DT	Definite=Def|PronType=Art	5	det	_	_
5	case	case	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	0	root	_	_
6	with	with	ADP	IN	_	7	case	_	_
7	regard	regard	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	5	nmod	_	_
8	to	to	ADP	IN	_	11	case	_	_
9	the	the	DET	DT	Definite=Def|PronType=Art	11	det	_	_
10	great	great	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	11	amod	_	_
11	heroes	hero	NOUN	NNS	Number=Plur	7	nmod	_	_
12	of	of	ADP	IN	_	14	case	_	_
13	the	the	DET	DT	Definite=Def|PronType=Art	14	det	_	_
14	Iliad	Iliad	PROPN	NNP	Number=Sing	11	nmod	_	SpaceAfter=No
15	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	17	punct	_	_
16	I	I	PRON	PRP	Case=Nom|Number=Sing|Person=1|PronType=Prs	17	nsubj	_	_
17	fancy	fancy	VERB	VBP	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=1|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	5	parataxis	_	_
18	it	it	PRON	PRP	Case=Nom|Gender=Neut|Number=Sing|Person=3|PronType=Prs	22	nsubj	_	_
19	will	will	AUX	MD	VerbForm=Fin	22	aux	_	_
20	be	be	AUX	VB	VerbForm=Inf	22	cop	_	_
21	some	some	DET	DT	PronType=Ind	22	det	_	_
22	time	time	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	17	ccomp	_	_
23	before	before	SCONJ	IN	_	30	mark	_	_
24	the	the	DET	DT	Definite=Def|PronType=Art	26	det	_	_
25	same	same	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	26	amod	_	_
26	problem	problem	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	30	nsubj:pass	_	_
27	will	will	AUX	MD	VerbForm=Fin	30	aux	_	_
28	have	have	AUX	VB	VerbForm=Inf	30	aux	_	_
29	been	be	AUX	VBN	Tense=Past|VerbForm=Part	30	aux:pass	_	_
30	solved	solve	VERB	VBN	Tense=Past|VerbForm=Part|Voice=Pass	17	advcl	_	_
31	for	for	ADP	IN	_	34	case	_	_
32	the	the	DET	DT	Definite=Def|PronType=Art	34	det	_	_
33	minor	minor	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	34	amod	_	_
34	characters	character	NOUN	NNS	Number=Plur	30	obl	_	SpaceAfter=No
35	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	39	punct	_	_
36	and	and	CCONJ	CC	_	39	cc	_	_
37	as	as	SCONJ	IN	_	39	mark	_	_
38	it	it	PRON	PRP	Case=Nom|Gender=Neut|Number=Sing|Person=3|PronType=Prs	39	nsubj	_	_
39	affects	affect	VERB	VBZ	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Fin	30	parataxis	_	_
40	Thersites	Thersite	PROPN	NNPS	Number=Plur	39	obj	_	SpaceAfter=No
41	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	45	punct	_	_
42	or	or	CCONJ	CC	_	45	cc	_	_
43	that	that	DET	DT	Number=Sing|PronType=Dem	45	det	_	_
44	eminent	eminent	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	45	amod	_	_
45	artist	artist	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	40	appos	_	_
46	who	who	PRON	WP	PronType=Rel	47	nsubj	_	_
47	dwelt	dwell	VERB	VBD	Mood=Ind|Number=Sing|Person=3|Tense=Past|VerbForm=Fin	45	acl:relcl	_	_
48	at	at	ADP	IN	_	49	case	_	_
49	home	home	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	47	obl	_	_
50	in	in	ADP	IN	_	51	case	_	_
51	Hyla	Hyla	PROPN	NNP	Number=Sing	47	obl	_	SpaceAfter=No
52	,	,	PUNCT	,	_	58	punct	_	_
53	being	be	AUX	VBG	Tense=Pres|VerbForm=Part	58	cop	_	_
54	by	by	SCONJ	IN	_	58	mark	_	_
55	far	far	ADV	RB	Degree=Pos	58	advmod	_	_
56	the	the	DET	DT	Definite=Def|PronType=Art	58	det	_	_
57	most	most	ADV	RBS	Degree=Sup	58	advmod	_	_
58	excellent	excellent	ADJ	JJ	Degree=Pos	39	conj	_	_
59	of	of	ADP	IN	_	61	case	_	_
60	leather	leather	NOUN	NN	Number=Sing	61	compound	_	_
61	cutters	cutter	NOUN	NNS	Number=Plur	58	obl	_	SpaceAfter=No
62	.	.	PUNCT	.	_	5	punct	_	_
```

## Pragmatics {#pragmatics}

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| # | verb | tense, mood | who | what, whom | to whom | where | when | other | roles by |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 1 | **is a** | present | this | the case |  |  |  | with regard to the great heroes of the Iliad | tree rules |
| 2 | **fancy** | present | I |  |  |  |  |  | vn admire-31.2 «NP V that S»: agent=Experiencer |
| 3 | **is a** | future | reality | some time |  |  |  |  | tree rules |
| 4 | **solve** | future · perfect · passive |  | the same problem |  |  |  | for the minor characters | vn discover-84 «NP V NP»: subject=Topic |
| 5 | **affect** | present | reality | Thersites |  |  |  |  | vn amuse-31.1 «NP V NP»: agent=Stimulus thersite=Experiencer |
| 6 | **dwell** | past | that eminent artist |  |  | home |  | in Hyla | vn exist-47.1 «NP V PP.location»: agent=Theme at home=Location |
| 7 | **is** | gerund | reality *not said here* |  |  |  |  | of leather cutters; excellent, far *property* | tree rules |

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One row per clause the reader finds. «not said here»: a role filled from the clause above. «roles by»: a VerbNet class and frame when one fits the verb, else the reader's rules on the tree.

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**Text:** «Early Bardic Literature, Ireland.» by Standish O'Grady, Project Gutenberg book 8109 (public domain in the USA). **Tree:** Mova's own parse, Elamur Cosmic License. **Frames:** Mova's frames reader (`prag`), the chapter read in order.

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